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2013-09-16
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Originally Posted by jalyst
I was addressing the one person that asked what's the disadvantages to having Android as noted here and not addressing the Alien Dalvik nor libhybris stuff.
What folks have been talking about in the last few pages isn't the Alien Dalvik ACL but rather libhybris, the bionic <--> libgcc dvr/hw compatibility layer.
Some of Jolla's recent public statements have lead some folks to assume that Sailfish ports to Android devices are now just a "hop, skip, & a jump" away.
But I get your point about an ACL for Apps, & more-or-less agree with the main thrust of what was said...
Actually I'd rather not address that stuff because ultimately it's frivolous information and at the end of the day, to know, learn and master that information really means nothing wherein it has no bearing on what the final majority of the consumers gravitate towards.
Simply stated... it's nerdy information that either works or doesn't work and knowing the internals doesn't add or negate those aforesaid facts (ie. it works or it doesn't work).
The above is not stated to sound harsh; it's just a fact that core fans as the average TMO user and developer needs to understand that they are not who marketing is typically directed towards. We'll buy anything that speaks our language. Other folks will buy anything that they've gotten used to or is easily utilized (read: convenient).
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2013-09-17
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
Yeah it was a pretty boring press release really, extremely light on detail & nothing we didn't know.
I am suprised no one has realised that Jolla may have rushed this announcement cause of the rumor that next samsung hiend will support Android and Tizen. I hope thats not the case. But the android info of todays is to me nothing new. We have for long known that android will be supported.
Where is this recent development about Tizen, can you point to an article?
Now lets hope they announce the specs this week as expected.
I hope they don't release the final specs 3mth+ before the ph begins shipping, that'd be an epic fail.
If they announce final specs this week, then the ph must be shipping by 30/11 max, ideally sooner.
Originally Posted by gerbick
He was asking about libhybris, the "android hw compatibility layer".
I was addressing the one person that asked what's the disadvantages to having Android as noted here and not addressing the Alien Dalvik nor libhybris stuff.
But your over-arching point is noted...
Originally Posted by mikecomputing
But they've been partnered with Myriad since the begging to do the Dalvik implementation, you reckon they may have ditched them?
I think u should not compare it with BB. Jolla is using libhybris so may very well use dalvik from upstream if its open?
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2013-09-17
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Originally Posted by gerbick
I agree fully for the first part of your statement; the people who need a device for some specific need will get it at whatever cost if ever a word leaks out that something suitable is available, even if it was manufactured in secrecy and only made available in select stores in Ulan Bator.
The above is not stated to sound harsh; it's just a fact that core fans as the average TMO user and developer needs to understand that they are not who marketing is typically directed towards. We'll buy anything that speaks our language. Other folks will buy anything that they've gotten used to or is easily utilized (read: convenient).
The second part however should actually read something like; "Other folks will buy anything that is advertised as Hip&Fashion loudly enough in trendy media", utility or convenience matters only slightly here
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2013-09-17
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Originally Posted by juiceme
That's not actually far from the truth it seems. Ever notice how the mediocre products that have an extended media reach (ie. Microsoft Windows, Apple iOS, Nintendo <insert any of their consoles) have enjoyed success whereas better, far superior products (ie. Psion, Atari, Amiga, Maemo, MeeGo) have a serious problem gaining traction due to lack of trendy marketing?
The second part however should actually read something like; "Other folks will buy anything that is advertised as Hip&Fashion loudly enough in trendy media", utility or convenience matters only slightly here
Think about it. Each and every one of us here has been pissed off about how we picked "Product B" which was point for point better than "Product A" and yet we ended up on the losing end of that equation?
Maemo was my turning point. Loved my N810, had to settle for something else. Loved my N9, looking for something to replace it. Liking BB10, already hoping that Jolla will be better than it. And despite using/developing for Android and iOS, I'd rather live outside of those ecosystems and thusly I'm placing myself outside of the typical marketing and ultimately preparing myself to be pissed off yet again.
Marketing makes the easily persuaded flock to a product. "Ooh, shiny". Watch the average response to a well crafted (sometimes it doesn't even have to be well crafted) statement or commercial. I swear it's damn near mind control.
Shiny, shiny... pretty, pretty.
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2013-09-17
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Originally Posted by youmeego
That's got nothing to do with the dvr layer...
many people say android lags, and sailfish uses android driver, so sailfish phone will lag as well?
And the root causes for it have been -mostly- mitigated nowadays.
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2013-09-17
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Originally Posted by youmeego
iianm, android UI language is the cause of the lag..
many people say android lags, and sailfish uses android driver, so sailfish phone will lag as well?
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2013-09-17
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no full spec announced today. Carry on...Max. Three days to go.
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2013-09-17
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When i had phone not supported by company(nokia N9), i wanted Android emulator as i wanted somehow to run applications . Today I don't want emulator, i want company to support it and push it on market, so there would be native apps. It's cheap move 
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also found out that it seems Jolla will use libhybris for NFC drivers too...
https://github.com/libhybris/libhybr...p/libnfc_nxp.c
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