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2010-11-04 , 19:56
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#951
Here's a good post from a Mozilla veteran on the benefits of multiple app stores. I'm not sure if this is a formal proof , but I'm with the poster! Here's a quick excerpt:

This world is just a bit messier than the squeaky clean world of single, tightly-controlled app stores. But it’s a price well worth paying as this world is a more vibrant, more dynamic, more innovative place - and it’s a better place for both the developer and the user.

In summary - it’s a somewhat bizarre artifact of the times we are living in, that we accept an app economy which is flawed on so many levels. We wouldn’t accept this world when buying shoes, books or our entertainment products. So let’s not accept it - let’s build something better.
http://blog.finette.co.uk/post/14732...ple-app-stores

I'm all for the idea of multiple app stores. Free competition equals more innovation.
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2010-11-04 , 20:03
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#952
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Nice! Not owning an Android device, I'm just learning about this wonderful app. But I'm loving the Tab functionality.

By the way, we've missed you in here!
I'm sure there are many more who'd wish I'd just disappear and stop blurting out these inconvenient details and questions I keep volunteering. Thanks for the sentiment, it's very much appreciated. heh
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Ruh Roh!

Looks like Firefox for Android is looking to capitalize on GPU accelerated browsing for ultra-smooth browsing as well as a face lift!


http://www.androidcentral.com/firefox-4-steps-beta-2
http://androidandme.com/2010/11/appl...r-and-sleeker/

In addition to acceleration, Firefox for android is looking to capitalize on a little HTML5 compliance.

The stock android browser will be left to respond or have a large migration towards these other solutions.

I'm very glad that this major app is being given proper treatment. While the Android browser is very good, next to other popular devices, it can look painfully slow (especially with flash).
 

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#954
Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt View Post
I'm very glad that this major app is being given proper treatment. While the Android browser is very good, next to other popular devices, it can look painfully slow (especially with flash).
I avoided installing Flash, myself. I have no need nor want for it on a handset device (the battery drain alone is good enough reason, let alone the potential for exploits, tracking cookies and the ever-annoying Flash ads begging for attention).

Having no flash makes the browser pretty decent, actually.. but for PLENTY of reasons, I far prefer using Dolphin on my Droid. I'll be quite happy to give Fennec/Firefox a try, though.
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I avoided installing Flash, myself. I have no need nor want for it on a handset device (the battery drain alone is good enough reason, let alone the potential for exploits, tracking cookies and the ever-annoying Flash ads begging for attention).

Having no flash makes the browser pretty decent, actually.. but for PLENTY of reasons, I far prefer using Dolphin on my Droid. I'll be quite happy to give Fennec/Firefox a try, though.
Agreed. Flash is a performance hog. Considering that adobe has had years to opimize its platform, its ridiclous that it runs so poorly. I will be quite pleased to be rid of it myself -- for example I use HTML5 for youtube with Google's beta program.

I wonder which is quicker: v8 and the HTML5 canvas or flash 10...
 
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It has been proven that Flash has less battery drain than HTML5 (+whatever else it needs to display animations or dynamic content).

Exploits are relative to the browser / OS it is running on.

I really don't understand the annoying ads comment...
I get ZERO annoying ads in Flash. I use a Flash blocker on all my internet enabled devices.
I actually get very few (not Flash) in some big websites that have a big ad before redirecting you to an article or something.

There are very annoying pop-up ads in JavaScript or whatever.
Does that mean you disable JavaScript completely on your browsers? Or do you just use pop-up ad blockers?

I get it, you don't like Flash, fair enough, I can live with that.
But stop making BS excuses for not liking or not wanting Flash.

Edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgwi0lWgX8w

Imagine playing this on your desktop / tab / phone with no need for the developer to change the code.

Now try to do this on a browser with something else than Flash.
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who the f*** will use a tablet that size with a camera?! fckn ei!
 
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#958
Here is a demo of the spare parts app showing the ability to run all apps in full screen on the Tab. Can't remember if this has been posted already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zasSIA7sexM
 

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#959
Originally Posted by H3llb0und View Post
It has been proven that Flash has less battery drain than HTML5 (+whatever else it needs to display animations or dynamic content).

Exploits are relative to the browser / OS it is running on.

I really don't understand the annoying ads comment...
I get ZERO annoying ads in Flash. I use a Flash blocker on all my internet enabled devices.
I actually get very few (not Flash) in some big websites that have a big ad before redirecting you to an article or something.

There are very annoying pop-up ads in JavaScript or whatever.
Does that mean you disable JavaScript completely on your browsers? Or do you just use pop-up ad blockers?

I get it, you don't like Flash, fair enough, I can live with that.
But stop making BS excuses for not liking or not wanting Flash.

Edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgwi0lWgX8w

Imagine playing this on your desktop / tab / phone with no need for the developer to change the code.

Now try to do this on a browser with something else than Flash.
I'm not going to go into a whole flash debate, but yes: DOM manipulation and javascript animations/etc suck up just as much as flash do. They're both unnecessary but add graphical flare.

But to say that flash is more efficient at animation than these others, is not to say that it's efficient in the first place.

Here are a couple of reasons I would only use flash on demand
1) Flash continues to run after the browser is backgrounded -- sometimes sucking ~90% CPU
2) Not all flash apps are optimized like in adobes 'proof' test.
3) I find flash ads to be annoying and don't mind switching them off
4) Scrolling using the Android browser is slowed greatly with flash elements onscreen.
5) It's a memory HOG. Just check your chromium/chrome task manager and watch your memory disappear.

I like that I have the option to run flash content as the web is full of it (some good content too). But I wouldn't leave it on by default. It drains battery and slows the user experience.

Adobe should step up its game as they've had *years* to better optimize their platform, work with OSS vendors to create better integration, and open its codebase. But it still remains a resource HOG to this day.
 

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Originally Posted by etuoyo View Post
Here is a demo of the spare parts app showing the ability to run all apps in full screen on the Tab. Can't remember if this has been posted already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zasSIA7sexM
Thanks etuoyo! Yeah, I 'broke' this story before Engadget lol. But an additional link never hurts!
 

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