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2010-08-11
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which council??
what have they done so far?
what have they done so far?
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2010-08-11
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Now before we go into an open state of rebellion here, I think there are some things we need to know.
I for one, am curious about the Council's plan to deal with the end of Maemo and the transition to Meego.
I for one, am curious about the Council's plan to deal with the end of Maemo and the transition to Meego.
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2010-08-11
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Originally Posted by silvermountain
If they Exist.....the answer's a HELL NOO.
"The Maemo Community Council is a five-person body chosen by the Maemo community. The Council's mission is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests to Nokia, and to act as a community conduit for Nokia-generated information."
And If they don exist.....Beep Nokia.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but with nokia, there's no right or wrong, only idiot marketing. To think that I thought the HTC EVO would give nokia a kick in the head, but their head's apparently to thick and hollow to feel the pain.
The n900 remains the best device they have and still they show absolutely no support for it what so ever; And the n8 pales in comparison to the current phones of today.
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2010-08-11
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seriously, if you didnt tell me, i wouldnt know there was a council in the first place.
now that there is one, its either the council, that never contacted nokia, or nokia that completely ignored the council.
as far as i'm concerned: i couldnt care less. i dont believe that nokia cares about anything else than making every maemo-user buy the first meego-device for 600 euros before it drops to 400 euros 1 month after release. i hope the community takes care about the n900 like nokia should and make me keep my n900, because i planned on using this device for a long time.
now that there is one, its either the council, that never contacted nokia, or nokia that completely ignored the council.
as far as i'm concerned: i couldnt care less. i dont believe that nokia cares about anything else than making every maemo-user buy the first meego-device for 600 euros before it drops to 400 euros 1 month after release. i hope the community takes care about the n900 like nokia should and make me keep my n900, because i planned on using this device for a long time.
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2010-08-11
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Council here is like British Queen in Canada. She exists but no one listens to her and she doesn't have power . The simple fact that Nokia ignored their open letter to support Python as a programming language is a vivid example
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2010-08-11
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Right.
We're to blame for Nokia's inaction.
I'm astounded at the comments of some (not silvermountain's-- I've come to expect his baseless, pointless bashing).
You folks can slam us all you like for failures. It's just rather inane at this point.
The current five ran knowing well we were entering into a likely lame duck situation. None of us were naive. We saw the Maemo sunset like anyone else. We just wanted to do our damndest, to at least TRY-- rather than simply squatting at a keyboard typing out epithets, gripes and invalid assessments of anyone's efforts.
You can slam us for failure. Go ahead. But the evidence of council action are right here, right under the Community banner. Right in the emails and blogs and websites devoted to this community.
Absence of success is not absence of effort. It just indicates that we've been pushing rope. But that's not by design-- it's a consequence. Of corporate inertia.
I expect people to understand the difference. Asking too much?
It's easy to slam the volunteers at this point. We answer. Nokia doesn't.
So sure, lash out, Rant away. Whatever makes you feel better, silvermountain and company.
EDIT: I apologize for the emotional tone of this post. I should have let the thread sit overnight before responding. I also apologize to the other 4 council members for purporting to speak for them with regards to the last election. I also want to make it clear that the "lame duck" phrase was used in expediency and referred to the possibility of that occurring due to the introduction of MeeGo. It in no way reflects the hope I had when I ran, ie, that we could mitigate or even prevent such an occurrence.
Last edited by Texrat; 2010-08-12 at 21:21.
We're to blame for Nokia's inaction.
I'm astounded at the comments of some (not silvermountain's-- I've come to expect his baseless, pointless bashing).
You folks can slam us all you like for failures. It's just rather inane at this point.
The current five ran knowing well we were entering into a likely lame duck situation. None of us were naive. We saw the Maemo sunset like anyone else. We just wanted to do our damndest, to at least TRY-- rather than simply squatting at a keyboard typing out epithets, gripes and invalid assessments of anyone's efforts.
You can slam us for failure. Go ahead. But the evidence of council action are right here, right under the Community banner. Right in the emails and blogs and websites devoted to this community.
Absence of success is not absence of effort. It just indicates that we've been pushing rope. But that's not by design-- it's a consequence. Of corporate inertia.
I expect people to understand the difference. Asking too much?
It's easy to slam the volunteers at this point. We answer. Nokia doesn't.
So sure, lash out, Rant away. Whatever makes you feel better, silvermountain and company.
EDIT: I apologize for the emotional tone of this post. I should have let the thread sit overnight before responding. I also apologize to the other 4 council members for purporting to speak for them with regards to the last election. I also want to make it clear that the "lame duck" phrase was used in expediency and referred to the possibility of that occurring due to the introduction of MeeGo. It in no way reflects the hope I had when I ran, ie, that we could mitigate or even prevent such an occurrence.
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2010-08-11
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........ really, people?
........ I should just leave this thread alone.
........ I should just leave this thread alone.
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2010-08-11
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Originally Posted by Texrat
I have a deep personal respect for you, Texrat. I also respect the Council and what they have accomplished. I think most of us understand that really its Nokia that is to fault for practically everything. I'm quite sure that the talented group of individuals in this community could have accomplished lightyears more beyond the great things we've already seen if Nokia had been more open and really let developers and end users have at the guts of Maemo and all the closed source packages.
Right.
We're to blame for Nokia's inaction.
I'm astounded at the comments of some (not silvermountain's-- I've come to expect his baseless, pointless bashing).
You folks can slam us all you like for failures. It's just rather inane at this point.
The current five ran knowing well we were entering into a likely lame duck situation. None of us were naive. We saw the Maemo sunset like anyone else. We just wanted to do our damndest, to at least TRY-- rather than simply squatting at a keyboard typing out epithets, gripes and invalid assessments of anyone's efforts.
You can slam us for failure. Go ahead. But the evidence of council action are right here, right under the Community banner. Right in the emails and blogs and websites devoted to this community.
Absence of success is not absence of effort. It just indicates that we've been pushing rope. But that's not by design-- it's a consequence. Of corporate inertia.
I expect people to understand the difference. Asking too much?
It's easy to slam the volunteers at this point. We answer. Nokia doesn't.
So sure, lash out, Rant away. Whatever makes you feel better, silvermountain and company.
That said, I have to admit that there is a marked difference between the potential that existed and many people recognized, and the way things actually progressed and the experiences many of us have had.
Off Topic:
On a personal note, I really really really blame Symbian for all of the woes of Maemo and its community. If that ****ing piece of useless **** and its *******ness ... (insert reams of expletives for dramatic and vulgar emphasis) ... had been killed in 2008 (at the latest!!!), we and Nokia would be sitting in a MUCH different position.
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2010-08-11
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You folks can slam us all you like for failures. It's just rather inane at this point.
The current five ran knowing well we were entering into a likely lame duck situation. None of us were naive. We saw the Maemo sunset like anyone else. We just wanted to do our damndest, to at least TRY-- rather than simply squatting at a keyboard typing out epithets, gripes and invalid assessments of anyone's efforts.
You can slam us for failure. Go ahead. But the evidence of council action are right here, right under the Community banner. Right in the emails and blogs and websites devoted to this community.
Absence of success is not absence of effort. It just indicates that we've been pushing rope. But that's not by design-- it's a consequence. Of corporate inertia.
I expect people to understand the difference. Asking too much?
It's easy to slam the volunteers at this point. We answer. Nokia doesn't.
So sure, lash out, Rant away. Whatever makes you feel better, silvermountain and company.
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"The Maemo Community Council is a five-person body chosen by the Maemo community. The Council's mission is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests to Nokia, and to act as a community conduit for Nokia-generated information."
Link: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council
I've been pretty open about how ineffective and impotent I find this structure to be (horrible project management, even worse communication, ineffective in most (all?) issues it takes on, questionable how issues are being prioritized and how they 'get resolved', etc).
The current state of the forum (mis-managed moderation, poor communication in it about what is actually being worked on between Council and Nokia (if anything), etc) have at least for me re-ignited this question: Who would miss the Council if they were gone?
Now, I don't want this to be a discussion about how I feel about this but rather I am simply curious if I am the only one here who feels this way. And IF I am, I can promise you I will never air these feelings again...
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