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Originally Posted by pagesix1536
Unfortunately it will still run Android. My problem has never been with the hardware - its been with the OS
http://www.brighthand.com/default.as...S+2.0+T-Mobile
HDMI connection? 8MP with Xenon flash? 800 Mhz?
Uh oh... watch out N900 (of which I still don't even have because I'm STILL waiting for mine to ship!)
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Originally Posted by Bratag
I'm still trying to understand what a non-techie would be able to do with Maemo that they could not do with Android.
Unfortunately it will still run Android. My problem has never been with the hardware - its been with the OS
I understand that there is an argument to be made that FOSS should be supported. OTOH, Android is controlled by the Open Handset Alliance while Maemo is controlled by Nokia. More to the point, though, I care less about that than I do about the functionality of the end product.
I also have heard that there are advantages for certain technical types (network admin, sys admin, programmer, etc.) to be able to get root, especially when interacting with other systems.
What I don't know is whether I should care. Someday it would be nice if someone could put together a comparison chart. I doubt it will happen here because of the general tenor of comparison conversations. I doubt that the community will like it when another site puts it together. Still, I'd like to see one.
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Originally Posted by DaveP1
I have access to a droid and it can do every thing Maemo can... well pretty much anything I care about. I really wanted to love the n900 but so far I'm thinking the sholes tablet will be perfect for me
I'm still trying to understand what a non-techie would be able to do with Maemo that they could not do with Android.
I understand that there is an argument to be made that FOSS should be supported. OTOH, Android is controlled by the Open Handset Alliance while Maemo is controlled by Nokia. More to the point, though, I care less about that than I do about the functionality of the end product.
I also have heard that there are advantages for certain technical types (network admin, sys admin, programmer, etc.) to be able to get root, especially when interacting with other systems.
What I don't know is whether I should care. Someday it would be nice if someone could put together a comparison chart. I doubt it will happen here because of the general tenor of comparison conversations. I doubt that the community will like it when another site puts it together. Still, I'd like to see one.
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Originally Posted by pagesix1536
this is looking pretty dam sweet.. sounds like a long wait and not even sure if itll ever hit Tmo. bummer.
http://www.brighthand.com/default.as...S+2.0+T-Mobile
HDMI connection? 8MP with Xenon flash? 800 Mhz?
Uh oh... watch out N900 (of which I still don't even have because I'm STILL waiting for mine to ship!)
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I agree, I'm not a developer. I'd buy the droid over the n900 cause I can't think of much that maemo can do that android can't. I don't really care about openness or development.
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Originally Posted by DaveP1
If I was a non techie I might be able to tell you. A couple of things spring to mind for me that I truly hated about Android
I'm still trying to understand what a non-techie would be able to do with Maemo that they could not do with Android.
I understand that there is an argument to be made that FOSS should be supported. OTOH, Android is controlled by the Open Handset Alliance while Maemo is controlled by Nokia. More to the point, though, I care less about that than I do about the functionality of the end product.
I also have heard that there are advantages for certain technical types (network admin, sys admin, programmer, etc.) to be able to get root, especially when interacting with other systems.
What I don't know is whether I should care. Someday it would be nice if someone could put together a comparison chart. I doubt it will happen here because of the general tenor of comparison conversations. I doubt that the community will like it when another site puts it together. Still, I'd like to see one.
1) Its not true multitasking. Yes you can have a couple of apps open in the BG - but the first time a memory demand comes in you can kiss them goodbye, unless of course you have coded the app to never be killed - not recommended at all by Google.
2) Android 1.5, 1.6 and 2.0 all out in the wild at the same time. Apps on the market work ok on some and not on others so when you switch phones no guarantee it will work. If the dev turns around and compiles it for the latest os ver - it might not even show up in the market for you. Speaking as a dev having 3 levels of the OS to support is a real MFER, especially when the SDK changed fairly radically between versions in some places.
3) 800000 goddamn ring clip and soundboard apps. For fudge sake how many of those do we need. Hey maybe code one that allows you to specify the goddamn location of the pics you want to show.
4) Java - its slow. I think its amazing how fast Google actually managed to make it run. And don't go throwing your - but the NDK blah blah blah at me because
i) it still doesnt have full hardware support
ii) we are talking non techie here.
5) Individual companies making changes to the underlying OS that do not maintain functionality of standard android. Ok yeah this is more agro from a dev point of view. With maemo I can be certain how an app will react from box to box because I can build it to depend on certain things and underlying it all is a linux OS.
So those are a few things. Crappy IO handling and truly God awful graphics control through the API meaning you wont be seeing any of those sweet *** 3d games any time soon also comes to mind.
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Originally Posted by RTbar
The Sholes has a lot to like. I'm sort of tempted by the 1GHz Snapdragon in the Xperia. I'm also curious as to what the rumored Dell and Google phones will turn out to be.
I have access to a droid and it can do every thing Maemo can... well pretty much anything I care about. I really wanted to love the n900 but so far I'm thinking the sholes tablet will be perfect for me
Good thing I won't have any money between now and the post-christmas bills. But come February I'll to be in the market and I really hope the N900 update has significantly improved its functions because, like you, I wanted to want it.
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Originally Posted by Bratag
1 & 4) Everything is resource limited. Perhaps an Android phone needs a 1.0GHz CPU to run as fast as an N900 with a 0.6GHz CPU. The speed with which they can accomplish the same task could be a definite advantage but it will be device, not OS, specific.
1) Its not true multitasking.
2) Android 1.5, 1.6 and 2.0 all out in the wild
3) 800000 goddamn ring clip and soundboard apps
4) Java
5) Individual companies making changes to the underlying OS
So those are a few things. Crappy IO handling and truly God awful graphics control through the API meaning you wont be seeing any of those sweet *** 3d games any time soon also comes to mind.
3 & 5) I definitely agree, especially with customizing the OS. I'm willing to put up with less customization in order to get better standardization.
2) Maemo 3, 4, 5, 6, and Mer? Maybe we shouldn't be casting the first stone here.
Essentially those are things I would look for in a comparative review of the N900 versus another phone and, as such, they are good things to remember as far as areas to examine in detail.
Your last comment gets to what I am really looking for. If Android doesn't allow the level of graphics in games that Maemo allows, that would be a noticeable flaw. Unfortunately, the only good games I've seen are in iPhone commercials. Hopefully some developer will take advantage of the N900 graphics capability and give us a wow experience (maybe a WoW wow experience).
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Originally Posted by Bratag
As DaveP1 said, won't this eventually be true for Maemo as well? Maemo 6 is due out supposedly within a year. Is there some intrinsic reason forward/backward compatability will be simpler with Maemo? I'm honestly asking. Also, I don't know about the technical side of this, but isn't this part of the whole reason Google went with Java, to allow from more general compatability and an easier platform for coders to deal with? Or is that wrong?
2) Android 1.5, 1.6 and 2.0 all out in the wild at the same time. Apps on the market work ok on some and not on others so when you switch phones no guarantee it will work. If the dev turns around and compiles it for the latest os ver - it might not even show up in the market for you. Speaking as a dev having 3 levels of the OS to support is a real MFER, especially when the SDK changed fairly radically between versions in some places.
Also, given that Android is projected by market Analysts to pass the iPhone platform in two years and have several times over more marketshare than Maemo (and I personally think Google is such a huge juggernaut eventually Android will completely dominate the market), for better or worse, won't this force developers to make things work? Hasn't the ubiquity of Windows driven the plethora of applications that work under different versions, regardless of whether it's a pain in the butt? I see this playing enormously to Android's advantage in the long run.
Originally Posted by Bratag
You forgot the fart apps. Or is that what you meant by soundboard apps?
3) 800000 goddamn ring clip and soundboard apps. For fudge sake how many of those do we need. Hey maybe code one that allows you to specify the goddamn location of the pics you want to show.
I do think there is an advantage to open-source and smaller market share. The number of apps isn't as important as the quality, innovativeness, and usefulness of the apps. I'm a Linux end-user and for the most part I appreciate having less crap to filter through, when looking for applications. And I think the quality of the applications differs when they're made by people looking to make money, as opposed to people looking to making applications for themselves that they find useful and are passionate about. You get a more user oriented experience I think. A better balance between catering to the lowest common denominator (always what the desire for money will produce) and sophistication/options. Of course, there's plenty of exceptions to this. It's a little amorphous, but I just find there's a different feel to the applications that's more satisfying in the end. Of course, there's going to be some start up time before Maemo gets there.
That said, there is this whole "app" phenomenon driven by the iPhone, which seems to center around creating incredibly simple, widget-like applications, which do something for you that you could easily do for yourself online, most of the time. So having a more real browser in Maemo may belie the usefulness of many of the apps found on the iPhone, Android, etc., which just make up for the dysfunctionality of the browser. On the other hand, if people like that widget experience, more than using the browser, then it's certainly true that Android has head start and will probably always command more developers, because it offers a bigger and ever growing market for making money. But then, maybe the widgets in Maemo will be more innovative and less fart filled, per my argument in the previous paragraph. I realize that's a lot of maybes.
HDMI connection? 8MP with Xenon flash? 800 Mhz?
Uh oh... watch out N900 (of which I still don't even have because I'm STILL waiting for mine to ship!)