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2007-01-24
, 07:27
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I agree, video on the N800 is NOT in a working state right now. The built in app is next to useless and MPlayer (latest N800 build) is completely useless; As is media streamer. 192k mp3s won't even stream reliably for me, let alone video.
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2007-01-24
, 10:48
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The media player was streaming very well for me when I tried it yesterday on a link generated by that web page which converts youtube links.. and it also works fine on that demo video which came pre-installed. (As we all know, watching youtube directly works, but is very choppy).
However: The nice thing about the N800 is that I can keep an SD card permanently in the inside slot (as a hard-disk equivalent), and use the external slot for all the other SDs, in particular media SDs from my digital recorder and my cameras - in fact that's what I liked so much that I went and bought it. And that's a bummer at this stage: The media player can't play _anything_. "Missing codec". I've only been able to play the demo file, but none of my other files in various formats. My Tungsten T3 can play all of it without problems, in 320x480 resolution without flicker, and I don't think it's more powerful than the N800 (for sure the DSP is much older, I'm not sure about a 400MHz PXA 263 vs. the 330MHz TI OMAP CPU, but it can't be that different). Nokia: More codecs please? Pretty please?
(But at least the sound files from my recorder plays fine.. .mp3 and .wav)
However: The nice thing about the N800 is that I can keep an SD card permanently in the inside slot (as a hard-disk equivalent), and use the external slot for all the other SDs, in particular media SDs from my digital recorder and my cameras - in fact that's what I liked so much that I went and bought it. And that's a bummer at this stage: The media player can't play _anything_. "Missing codec". I've only been able to play the demo file, but none of my other files in various formats. My Tungsten T3 can play all of it without problems, in 320x480 resolution without flicker, and I don't think it's more powerful than the N800 (for sure the DSP is much older, I'm not sure about a 400MHz PXA 263 vs. the 330MHz TI OMAP CPU, but it can't be that different). Nokia: More codecs please? Pretty please?
(But at least the sound files from my recorder plays fine.. .mp3 and .wav)
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2007-01-24
, 10:49
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@ Vienna, Austria
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You should say that you're talking about streaming here, not video capabilities as such. In fact, I enjoy the 770s superb video playback quality very much and use it a lot to watch whole movies on the train.
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2007-01-24
, 12:07
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@ "Almost there!" (Monte Christo, Count of)
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I get acceptable results with Konttori's Media Converter, about on par with my 770 in its latter days.
However, it appears the latest version of Media Converter has become a lot more picky about the input files: Quite a lot of Divxfiles end up with a "fail" (irritatingly always right at the end, after half an hour of furious converting going on) and won't play anywhere.
Unfortunately, the only other decoder I've got, PocketDivXEncoder, refuses to produce a file that the N800 will play.
However, it appears the latest version of Media Converter has become a lot more picky about the input files: Quite a lot of Divxfiles end up with a "fail" (irritatingly always right at the end, after half an hour of furious converting going on) and won't play anywhere.
Unfortunately, the only other decoder I've got, PocketDivXEncoder, refuses to produce a file that the N800 will play.
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2007-01-24
, 14:45
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@ Austin, TX
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Originally Posted by benny1967
You should say that you're talking about streaming here, not video capabilities as such. In fact, I enjoy the 770s superb video playback quality very much and use it a lot to watch whole movies on the train.
Benny, you are correct. It is mostly streaming that I care about. The fact that I could create a media file using very specific attributes (resolution, compression, data rate, sound, ...) is not very interesting. I like the N800 but it will never be my only device, so my media needs to be accessible from any device. My cell phones, laptops, and PDA's have no problem streaming media, I would expect that as an "Internet Tablet" this would be second nature. The internet is no longer just text (bbs). What is the point of the increasing connectivity speeds if all we need the internet for is text.
Thanks everyone for the comments
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2007-01-24
, 15:07
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@ North Texas, USA
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Somehow a former co-worker of mine managed to get excellent results converting DVD movies to the N800... but I recall him saying there was a lot of trial-and-error and general effort required. I watched Ice Age on his N800 and the quality was very nice.
However, I've experienced the same frustrations as everyone else in accessing internet video. Formats, codecs, bit rates... they're all conspiring against us. The situation can only improve.
However, I've experienced the same frustrations as everyone else in accessing internet video. Formats, codecs, bit rates... they're all conspiring against us. The situation can only improve.
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2007-01-24
, 16:42
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@ Helsinki
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens
What OS do you use? I can have a look at the divx conversions.
I get acceptable results with Konttori's Media Converter, about on par with my 770 in its latter days.
However, it appears the latest version of Media Converter has become a lot more picky about the input files: Quite a lot of Divxfiles end up with a "fail" (irritatingly always right at the end, after half an hour of furious converting going on) and won't play anywhere.
Unfortunately, the only other decoder I've got, PocketDivXEncoder, refuses to produce a file that the N800 will play.
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2007-01-24
, 17:10
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@ "Almost there!" (Monte Christo, Count of)
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Originally Posted by konttori
Windows XP Home, for now.
What OS do you use? I can have a look at the divx conversions.
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2007-01-24
, 17:46
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@ Vienna, Austria
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Originally Posted by TheMostToys
Benny, you are correct. It is mostly streaming that I care about. The fact that I could create a media file using very specific attributes (resolution, compression, data rate, sound, ...) is not very interesting. I like the N800 but it will never be my only device, so my media needs to be accessible from any device. My cell phones, laptops, and PDA's have no problem streaming media, I would expect that as an "Internet Tablet" this would be second nature. The internet is no longer just text (bbs). What is the point of the increasing connectivity speeds if all we need the internet for is text.
Sure we're talking about different use cases here (streaming doesn't help me when I want to watch a recently purchased movie on the train, and when I'm at home I wouln't dream of watching it on anything else than on my large TV).I only wanted to point out that the topic "Very disappointed in N800 video capabilities" could scare off those who want to use the N800/770 as a multimedia device (as I do) and don't care about streaming. It's the marketing person in me speaking.
With the initial version of the OS 2007, streaming any video (Wifi or BT) was completely unacceptable. It would play (choppy) for 10 – 15 seconds then buffer. After upgrading to v. 2.2006.51-6 things improved. However, it still struggles to play even a low quality stream and most video resolutions produce “video resolution not supported” error.
I have very high hopes for the N800, but so far it seems far less functional in all aspects (including web browsing and media) to my Axim x51v. And that’s not even considering PIM function (I knew the N800 was not a PDA and do not expect it to be.) I love open source and am a big Linux fan but I wonder if enough momentum (especially considering the lack of 100% compatibility between releases) can be generated to produce a superior offering.
Thanks for letting me vent a little.