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re: TCPIP: To be honest I do not know. My interest is in the media delivery aspect which the majority of "ordinary consumers" are going to be using an iPad for. However I would think that if you want to target iPad users you can make an app for that (and bill your client accordingly).

As for animation: I agree that Flash had a very strong suite for vector animation. It's why I first got involved with it. I do know that CSS can do vector animation and at least under OS X with Core-Animation and Core Image, it can be done. What does that mean for the Windows side? No idea, I don't use Windows. Similarly I can't speak on Linux 'cause I don't use any distro either. I figure there are people here with more insight to that.

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Speed. Raw speed. For power users of remote access apps, WIndows Mobile doesn't cut it. Maemo devices don't cut it. Symbian, too many button clicks.
Click, swipe, tap, tap and I'm logging into my server/desktop/home Mac.
People keep posting about "why not get a netbook?"
I've got one. A Lenovo S10E w/2GB of RAM. Since we're an authorized IBM/Lenovo reseller, I got mine pretty cheap too. Even got a spare drive with Snow Leopard installed on it.
But to remote into something I have to pull it out of the bag, open it up, hit the power button, wait for Windows 7 Enterprise to "resume", then click the RDP/VNC/SSH icon I have pinned to the task tray, then wait for it to open, then type in the server name, then wait, then login to the remote server.
On the iPhone, it's click, swipe, tap, tap. Just that fast. There's little to no lag.
And to finally have that remote terminal in a 10" display?
Yes, please.
I love the DRM arguments...did you guys forget that Apple has dropped DRM on almost all of their audio downloads? Most of my MP3s I've been dragging around since 1999 and all of them are DRM-free. I've never bought much from the iTunes store, I usually get them DRM-free from Amazon. Or ripped from CDs.
As for video, I've NEVER bought a video from iTunes. I usually rip straight from DVD to iPod format using Handbrake or stream it with on-the-fly conversion from my 3-year-old Macbook Pro without a hiccough.
And yes, I've looked at other tablets. But having had a chance to play with the closest competitor - an Archos tablet running Android - it's still slower than an iPhone/iPad. Nokia's already burned me on the N800, not looking to pund nails though my head on that again.
Remember the Diablo VPN debacle? Yeah, I'm one of those who commented on the "bug" and now I don't care if it works at all since the iPhone - and future iPad - have pretty seamless VPN across varying firewall platforms, from Linksys to Cisco to Sonicwall to Foundry (tested across all 4 of those, it's just IPSEC VPN after all).
Couldn't get VPN working properly on my N800 even after 6 months of hacking around with it and pouring over forum after forum and varying forms of documentation.
As I've gotten older I've realized that I'm pretty tired of having to hack something to death just to get it to work properly. Most of you in here enjoy doing that, but not me. Not anymore.
I'm not planning on listening to music on my iPad, but it's nice it can do it. I'm planning on using it for printer/copier/router/firewall/server PDF use, e-book reading, remote terminal (#1 use), video streaming from my Mac, web browsing, light email duties (w/ Exchange & Gmail), and the occasional game, mostly RPGs.
Right now there are a few Korean/Chinese/Japanese RPG developers who are porting over their Java/Symbian development skills to the iPhone and they're getting better at it with each game release (Zenonia, Inotia 2, etc.).
Apple has their store shiite together,
Nokia's OVI looks and feels disjointed, sluggish, and not very stable.
I used to be a Nokia fan (N800, N95-1, even the damn tiny Nokia bluetooth headset!) but not anymore.
Where's the logmein client for Maemo? The Citrix Receiver for Maemo?
The few apps there are for Maemo devices feel really..well, not that polished. The browser itself on the N900 is damn good, but a single app does not a "multimedia computer" (Nokia's own words there) make.
The company who develops the managed services software we're using at work is creating an iPhone app, but even then I can still use the site with the built-in Safari browser. It's sluggish and not very usable on my N800 tablet running a clean install of the latest release of Diablo. But the Mozilla browser is somehow "better" than the iPhone Safari port?
Don't know about you guys over in EMEA, but here in the USA I can't find a single developer who knows what Maemo is, much less wants to develop for it.
Most developers like having money and they realize they can obtain more of that money in an easier way by taking the Apple iPhone app route than any other mobile device out at the moment.
Yes, it leads to a lot of crapps, but those usually wind up on the bottom of the lists pretty quickly.
I also don't know how much your time is worth, but mine is worth a lot.
I don't like waiting around for a page to load or an app to connect to a server or for Nokia developers to finally get something right only to be forced into upgrading to the latest N1-billion tablet hardware.
The iPhone - and soon to be bought iPad - does what I need it to do RIGHT NOW and REALLY REALLY FAST compared to other products.
Most of the folks complaining in here about how bad they think the iPhone were just like me a few years ago bashing Apple about it.
Then I said "screw it" and lived with one and have found it to indispensable for my needs.

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I don't ever quite remembering that Quicktime was never on Windows. Not sure where you pulled that one.

I remember Futuresplash Animator... still have the floppies for Flash 2.0 - no scripting available then either. I didn't jump on board, just kept my eyes on the technology, stayed with Director, or worse... Mtropolis.

This is definitely before the On2 FLV encoded Flash videos. Sorenson should have been picked, because it offered pretty good compression sans a lot of artifacts. However, what was weird was that Microsoft started making WMV's a whole lot better at the same time - but nobody really wanted to support that, QT or worse... Real. I hadn't installed Real since G2.

I was odd - QT was always a required install for me - Adobe After Effects demanded it. And later builds - Director 6 on down "required" it as well. Microsoft did their best to keep it off the install and force it to be a download - thus my 56k comments earlier.

That might be the case; however I remember my personal pain of downloading earlier Shockwave - pre-Shockwave3D days - via 56k and not liking it. It was worse for Quicktime... so I kept a downloaded copy on CD-R somewhere always.

Apple and Microsoft played the plugin game that Apple is playing with Adobe right now. That's for sure. But I'm still partial to say that Quicktime was not exactly the best solution for all things.

But this whole HTML5 debate; most any killer HTML5 sample I see that could possibly help me replace Flash for some UI enhancements are mostly made with jQuery.

That's not the same thing.

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I fixed that for you

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the ipad in a nutshell... so easy even a caveman can do it.

im thinking of getting it for my 'ol mum, internet,pictures,big screen, just what seniors need. dissapointed no camera, point n click. seriously, how many of u guys end up as the family techtroubleshooting go to guy, im tired of the same old help calls. i'll be happy if they can figure it out, and i can get my asus eee i gave them back. hehe

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Just a question - I've never done this before - is the iPad an always on device so you always carry it around in your hands or your pocket, don't need to hit the power button and wait for it to resume? If so, how long is the standby time and how many hours can you use it in constant use? And how long for full screen movies - that would be very useful on a flight or a train journey to work. Sadly we have mostly 1-2gb monthly limits on data in the UK :( They *say* it's unlimited in the advertising but then the terms and conditions say "fair usage of 1gb". One phone company only gives 200mb on their "unlimited" plan ...! You can pay an extra $30-40 a month to get a lot more data, but that is just too expensive :(

I've looked at the iphone the last few upgrades I've gotten and it's missing some things for me - I don't stick to any one brand, just go for whatever fills my needs after reading lots of reviews and looking at videos and trying them out. I'm wondering one thing which I never looked into before. Can you open lots of web pages concurrently? eg. I like having the BBC Sport index open in one window and perhaps the Guardian's football site in another and just open links in new windows to read the articles I want to look at.

Finally, are there lots of free software on the iPhone? Good quality stuff? Things like the VNC that you mention ? If I ever got one, I have no intention of paying for Apple's games or software, so free software would be very important to me. And I hate iTunes :(

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microsoft couriers the way to go

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Yes, just like an Ipod Touch/iPhone.

El Jobso says 10 hours of constant video playback and a month of "standby", i.e. with the screen off and it not doing anything.

I know. It was just as bad if not worse when I was living in Germany.

When you click on a link on one website that opens another "window" or "tab" on a desktop PC, on the iPhone it opens up another browser window to the right of the one you're on and then jumps over to it. It's pretty seamless.

Yes, tons....
....and there's the rub. Tons of free stuff, very little of the free stuff is actually any good. But with the built-in iTunes reviews and Google it's very easy to find the good free stuff.

Nope. There's a free version of Jaadu VNC out for one to try to see if it works for them though it's kind of crippled. The full version you have to buy.

Here's the thing: Apple - the company itself - has only one or two apps actually in the iTunes app store. The rest are third-party developers. And the ones Apple does have in the iTunes store are free.

Then stay away from an iPhone/iPad.
iTunes doesn't really tie me down. I sync once a day to refresh my podcasts and update any apps, and it only takes a minute or two to do so. Of course, I'm on a Macbook Pro....I'm sure it takes longer or is more buggy on a Windows PC. ;)

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You could just setup a script to do that for you. Press one icon and everything is done and connected (just like some iPhone apps do it). Same thing with any Windows/OSX/Linux RDP, VNC, whatever app.


So your comparing the N800 with its hardware to the iPhone and its hardware? And considering the browser on the N800 hasn't been updated in quite a while (heck I think even Fennec with its sluggishness is probably better than the default microB). If not there's Tear by Bundyo. I think even running Easy Debian and one of the browsers inside of it is probably better than the N800's microB.

Err there are developers on this forum that are in the USA that develop for the Maemo platform. Though Nokia doesn't seem to do very much in the USA so its not surprising that nobody knows anything about the Maemo platform or the devices in the States.

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Yes, but there's no need to hack a script to do something on an N900 that "just works" on my iPhone.

That's just it, I got tired of hacking my N800 to just get basic functionality the iPhone provides out of the box. I also got tired of waiting for Nokia to update things on their end, which of course they did....for the N900 instead.

Exactly. Nokia is a non-entity in the U.S. Yes, I've been to the Nokia store in Chicago. Bought a phone there years ago. People working in the store didn't know jack schitt about the products they were selling. Now, contrast that with an Apple store. They still don't know everything about all Apple products but they're more informed about what they sell than the Nokia store employees do.

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Thanks for the replies!

A few things I'm not clear about. Does this mean you can open say 10 webpages all at the same time and not have to go back and reload and so on, say when underground with no signal ?

Is there a way to load and unload things without having to use iTunes?

Are there great free GPS/Navigation software ? And ones that don't need a data connection for when I'm on holiday overseas? Can you pre-load maps for holidays too ? Google Maps would be way too expensive that way. A bunch of text messages I sent in Sweden over a 3 day period was charged here for around $20 so you can imagine how ridiculous it would be with roaming data charges :(

Also, a few days ago I was trying to send a ringtone to a friend's iphone and we couldn't figure out how to do it. Any ideas what to do ? We must have done something wrong. Pairing seemed to work. I tried straight afterwards with a friend's LG phone and no problems sending a pdf file.

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Stupid question - what do you do AFTER you connect? As for me it seems that connection to server is needed to TYPE something and type more... more... and more. The real KBD can't be replaced and the significance of netbook with full KBD is a gem here.

For me it seems you trade off the convenience of work with server to convenience of connection to server. I guess... you are in sales/marketing, right? (Nothing personal, it is just a way how our marketing uses the remote connection - connect and show that... may be show some scripts but no real work).

BTW, even Windows 7 has a mode "suspend to RAM" which resumes in 1-3 secs. At least my old Vista can do it, and I assume W7 can do it too.

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No problem.

Hmmm...not sure. The most pages I've had open at one time was 5 and I was able to flick back and forth between them while within mobile Safari and didn't have any try to reload on me.

Not unless you're jailbroken however there is iTunes on the device itself.

There's one or two of them. I bought the Navigon app and it's excellent. Navigon (and Tom Tom and several more) all pre-load apps on the device itself. Any one of them has more functionality than Ovi maps does at the moment.

Boy don't I know it. I ran up some horrendous charges in Europe, Africa, and the ME. Luckily my employer was the U.S. Government so they footed the bill on their phone chip.

You can't....unless your jailbroken. Honestly, I don't play the "ringtone trading game", I just make my own. Once jailbroken you have hte option to download and install FREE ringtones using Cydia. If your friends are also on iPhones and jailbroken they can do the same. Or you can make your own and just email them once done from your main computer.

I guess you're not jailbroken? There's some iPhone apps out there for bluetooth sharing, but again I don't do things like that so I haven't researched it thoroughly.

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I use three fingers to swipe up and it goes to fullscreen. Then I move hte mouse to where I want it. If I need to type, I triple-finger-swipe up again and the keyboard just pops out. I then type in what I need and then triple-finger-swipe down and the keyboard goes away. Once you get used to it it's FAST.

Ummm....no. I can check services and logs on servers just fine this way.

Ummm...not just no, but fcuk no. I work for a living.

Right. Any Windows 7 netbook can do it as well however you sacrifice battery life with that, and it cuts the battery down fast. That was the first thing I set mine up for, but after leaving it like that at the end of the day the battery was completely drained. On my netbook I just close the lid and after a minute or two it's finished "hibernating" and powers off. Come back days later and I can "resume" it to where I left off however it takes another minute or two to get there.
Again, I suggest some of you who doubt the iPhone's - and future iPad's - remote terminal/viewer capabilities need to actually do a hands-on with it first to get a real feeling for if it fits for you.

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Thanks again for the reply... you're probably getting sick of me!

The guy with the iphone won't jailbreak it, he just wants things to work and was getting frustrated with sending ringtones, contacts, video clips, basically anything over bluetooth... anyone else with ideas are welcome.

Can you transfer your music via wifi without itunes? that would be quite good.

I don't really want to pay for a navigation application. Upgrading to a new phone in 12 months time may mean buying yet another navigation application. Similarly with buying games and other software. Or is there a way to transfer our iphone apps onto new phones? If so, can I send a copy to a friend ?

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I didn't originally post those.. it was egoshin, how did it manage to attribute the quotes to me ? Is there a problem with this site?

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Whoops! Oh well, still valid for whomever.

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We're all here to learn from each other.

Sorry, not my baliwick...I pretty much detest bluetooth and do not use it for hardly anything outside of the slight use of stereo BT headphones. it can be done if he jailbreaks it.

Sure....jailbroken.

If you're looking for navigation you only want to pay ONCE for, good luck with that. You can buy a dedicated nav device but updates you would probably have to pay for. That's why I like Navigon. Updates are free and it was a one-time $70 cost for the life of the device. And if I "upgrade" to a newer iPhone, that app goes right on the newer phone.

Well, you just plug the new iPhone into your computer and iTunes will load all your apps on your new iPhone.
But don't expect iPhone apps to work on Maemo/Symbian in much the same way Windows Mobile apps don't work on Maemo/Symbian.
Unless you mean Java games....ugh. Take a look at Ravensword for the iPhone. Also, the GTA: Chinatown Wars game for the iphone is pretty much a direct port from the DS version. And NOVA and Modern Combat for a pocketable online, multiplayer FPS fix.

Can't help you there as unless it's already a free app it's piracy. And if it's a free app you just email a link to it they click on within the iPhone and they can download it themselves.

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You could just pay someone to develop it (or rather write a script if the terminal supports it) for you, since that's basically what you did if you paid for a VNC iPhone app.

I would hardly call installing another browser hacking, it's like installing Firefox on your PC (or rather Mac) is. Now integrating the new browser hand would be more hacking since the way Nokia setup the system, everything was integrated into their stuff. They should have it setup so that everything is done via references and if you install another browser and wish to use that browser you can switch a setting and everything now uses that browser if it's web browsing related (and that's what the eventual scripts and GUI program did). [on a side note: hey where's the openness here!]

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Something wrong with your netbook configuration. In "suspend-to-RAM" mode it consumes the low portion of watt to keep DRAM content. Of course, it is possible that there are some troubled devices which don't have power saving mode or driver which can't restore it properly and system keep that devices under power but that is not right. That devices should be replaced (not bought in first place).

My notebook keeps DAYS in suspend-to-RAM mode and it is even not netbook (netbook typically has much more battery per power consumption). My friend just say me his netbook lasts at least 5 days in suspend-to-RAM mode (he didn't test more because he uses it).

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Ah, OK, that us exactly that iPad was designed for - use it to see the content. Sorry, I did assume that anybody who works with SSH/etc creates a content/software/etc.

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Despite the general skepticism in this thread, I believe that what iball describes as a usage scenario for an iPad or similar is indeed quite valid. I myself had considered in the past getting an N810 to use as a remote for my livingroom computer. I think that a touch screen would add an interesting spin to the interaction with a touch-naive OS, that including the on-screen keyboard...

But as iball suggests, this has to be tested first. Now, I wouldn't bother with the tiny screen of iP[od/hone], and the iPad is a couple of months away... In any case, for me the use as a remote terminal to my media PC does not justify the current price, I also have my reservations if the linear browsing model that iball describes fits my flow (while typing a post I often check words/facts/posts in parallel browser sessions, is that even possible with a single-tasking device?).

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Why is the iPad better than the ideapad from Lenovo? It has a full keyboard, detachable monitor, runs Win 7, works with Flash, etc. 10.1 inch display. $499.99 list price from the TigerDirect catalog I have in front of me.

I suddenly realized I don't quite get it...

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Because the iPad has magic. We're not supposed to understand magic, just be in awe of its ability to delude even the geeky-ones.

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YEAH!!! And people that buy apple products are so much cooler than anyone else in the world... Look how great it looks to pass by in a Starbucks and see them with their laptops looking around if someone is looking at them... Or in a party when everyone is talking about soccer they come up with "I was just talking about this with a friend in iChat over my iCam with my MacBook". It is just AWESOME!!

It is not for us, mere mortals, to understand. We just need to embrace and buy what they want us to buy.

ps. I personally feel the need to be cool since no one likes me. And if a tablet can do that for just 800€ much better...

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... a party when everyone is talking about soccer ... *shudder*

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No soccer? Its okay... You can have an iParty and bring your MacBook :D

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The Apple "magic" is actually based on advantages of some Apple products. Apple notebooks are not bad and have a good software set. If compare with Windows it is much better. And people who don't want to do a self-support and non-Windows choses it. The same can be said about iPhone, actually.

But Apple is not wizard and sometime their products are not very good but average. However, S.J. has a brain and he creates a culture of i* (you described it pretty well) and that products are sold well too.

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My usual complaint about Apple products is they're overpriced, you can find the products with similar function at much lower price.
And they always make somthing usual a big deal, like the first 2-button mouse for Mac? (didn't I have that for PC 15+ years ago?) video recording on phone? (any dumbphone can do it)

But if considering the "cool" factor, they might worth it :rolleyes:, just not for me.

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It seems that theyre getting lazy with the success. iPod nano hasn't evolved at all and iPhone can be in similar situation in couple of years. I'd rather talk about iPads success in 2011. Forums (and consults etc) are seldom right with their predictions. On an other hand sales figures never lie if those are announced.

but yes, I myself call those enthusiasts macfags. one common characteristic for them is that they get really pissed if someone switches for example from iPhone to hero (I have never seen such fury.....) and they opinion is that their user cases are universal and you can't have differing needs compared to them.

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Funny, I've heard similar items spewed around these parts in the past months...

...more magic needed perhaps, or are we the pixie dust crowd?

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Pretty much I'm getting one for remote access mainly. Anything else is "bonus".

You cna have multiple web pages/sites open at once with mobile Safari on the iPhone. Tap a button to swipe back and forth across open pages/sites.

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Do you have a 3GS or an iPod touch 3G? Because in the 128 MB devices, Safari flushes the web page cache more regularly than you're implying. But when someone decides to wrap their own iPhone OS webkit browser, I think they have control of the page cache.

And just as an FYI, the iPhone OS SDK is open for both high-level (run loops) and low-level multi-threading (manual synchronization), so if someone wanted to create a Kitchen Sink for themselves, they could multi-task without jailbreaking. But what alot of work for something that Apple could make optional for the owner of the device. Maybe even let the owner decide what's multi-tasking friendly on a per app basis. I'm dreaming of course, because Apple hates me for my freedom.

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i really mean fury, not regular flamewar -type posts.

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Maybe a re-post but here goes... 5 funny I-bash videos...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CISlD...eature=related