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Love my MacBookPro. Love the OS and the fact that it just works, sorry.

But that's about it, as I hate ipods for their bad sound quality, iphones for their toyish existence and Apple fanboys and the whole Apple religion for their ridiculously blind arrogance. The iPad reminds me somehow of the failed MacBook Air: It is kind of pretty, it is stylish, it is lightweight....and it's pointless as it is unsatisfactory in just about all areas it tries to cover, as if done on purpose. It may become temporarily the queen of all gadgets...but I can't see it ever leaving the toy market. No thread for N900 - in fact they are not even in the same game as this is clearly no smart phone nor a portable computer - it's a small laptop with no keyboard and no lid - NIGHTMARE! However, someone's mentioned it earlier, let's see what the new iPhone will be like. I'll be nice...no doubt...Nokia, please please don't p*ss us off by making M6 non compatible with N900!!

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With Steve growing older, his gadgets also need to get bigger with larger screen. It's logical development. *g*

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Is this justification for the smaller N900 screen? Last I checked, I'm also getting older... so are the Nokia engineers.

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That particular behavior annoy you, but it's EXACTLY what I want my N900 to do.

I don't have my headphones on every moment at work. If I pull them off and leave them lying on the desk, the *best* way I will know that a call is incoming is the ring out through the phone's speakers. Yes, I could try and keep the N900 in my peripheral vision, but if I turn around to talk to someone on the other side of me I'd miss the call.

Yes, I can see why you want it your way. And I would agree that missing that way of operation does knock it down from "really good".

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The '3rd world' are people too and the emerging nations will provide future growth. You sound so snobbish - SHAME on you !

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At the end of the day, whatever your religion is, you have to CONVERT people out there to your platform to keep it alive. Otherwise it'll dwindle down to non existence.

I like my N900. I hope it can assimilate all the unique (and locked in) features of my BB Bold and iPhone 3GS. But unfortunately all the open source wonders in the world can't give me access to REAL CONTENT when the platform is not appealing/profitable enough to the content producers.

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no need for you to worry. Nokia has already realized it months ago. Or then they are just faking with their announcements like dropping amount of new models announced per year to half.

s60v5 is soon pretty good and e71 was already a jewel out of the box. about only thing missing when compared to iPhone was app store (but it has amazing qwerty)

and if you'd have any clue about the big picture, you wouldn't btch about fremantle. It is whole another os compared to OS2008. Yes, some apps are about straight ports from OS2005 but you can't compare even OS2008 to fremantle when talking about general usability and ease of use. And finally: "Step 4/5"

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It has the iPhone OS on it and their own Apple made ARM type processor so it won't multi task and like the old MAC's it is solely all theirs no tinkering at all with it. They are keeping this to their own no Intel goodness (even though AMD better) ;p lol its a giant paddle to hit people with!

They really messed up big time I can't imagine walking around with a 10 inch screen trying to type on it lol.

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Don't be daft, it's where Nokia are still big - they've lost ground everywhere else.

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I am amazed at how it has no USB port.

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Yes, and there's a common sense solution to it - play the ringtone through the device speakers when music is not being played through the headphones, but play the ringtone through the headphones when music IS being played. A sensible enough solution that will work for virtually all people, instead the carriage gets to hear my ringtone and I get near silence through my noise cancelling headphones.

You'd think Nokia would have worked this out after all their years manufacturing phones yet they seem to be utter novices.

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Here's something to chew on:

The iPad uses what's called a microSIM card. Basically an readaptation of an external modem. This makes it logical to take your SIM out of your iPad and drop it into an unlocked mobile when you need more portability.

Both devices can connect to several online services to keep information synced.

Or, the SIM card becomes the persons hardware, software, and services validation key. Making the connection to a carrier not so much vital as much as it does point as an easier way to see how specific users are utilizing services - go back and look at Nokia's 2015 video.

This (connection to the web as a utility) is pre-paid. With such a decision on the hardware side, one would have to assume that usage based polices from carriers aren't that far away.

Just a little something to think about.

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Fair points, but for me, Im happy, you wouldn't believe how bad WinMo has been upto 6.5, everything should work and didn't.
For me, this is the first phone where I can go out and still be connected to everything, and it works, so I can't complain.
Im nearly tempted to send you my old i780 and see if you still complain about nokia after that, they will seem perfect then!!!!

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Who's to say you can't have a N900 a truely powerful mobile device with you everywhere, and a Nslate to bring with you for more mundane things. I think N900 has the potential to be able to do just about anything, but one thing it can't do is have a bigger screen.

Sure I can watch a movie or read a webpage on my N900 very well and anywhere! Like in a bus I'll whip out my N900 and watch a movie. It's not like I'd whip my Nslate out in a bus, unless it's a really long bus ride :P
Even in the morning I enjoy reading a paper and browsing the net. I could do all that on my N900, but I sit infront of my desktop computer to do this. But if I had a Nslate, I'd sit at my dining room table together with my gf and have the Nslate there with me.

It would be a luxury item. A inbetween item, that you don't actually need, but would be awesome.

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USB port is an add-on accessory.

Honestly, why do people say that if there is no multitasking and no flash, it would fail. The iPhone is doing well, isn't it?

The apps would define the iPad. Really.

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It's all great news! I love it! I don't know why I was actually scared they'd do something interesting for a minute. I am curious to see if there is any impact on high end smartphone prices. @629 for the wifi+3G model, it's not a whole lot more than...say the Nexus 1, especially considering the 16GB and extra screen real estate (for the people who consider the extra size to be an advantage). But yes, over all, epic fail. No multi tasking, same old walled garden iTunes nonsense to get media on and off the device, no removable battery. I echo a previous post in saying the Notion Ink offering is much more interesting in this space/form factor. It'll sell, not doubt about it, just like the iphone and iPod touch. Anyone see an inkling of how much RAM is involved?

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and if you forget to pause the music.... ?

Re: Apple iPad
 

Same old Apple...

Pass.

Re: Apple iPad -- camera USB
 

There is an odd "camera connector" that "allows you to hook up your camera's USB". I don't know what functionality users will be able to get out of that.

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I am waiting patiently for Maemo 6+Qt+Better Ovi+Ovi Suite(with all of those weird little programs it is carrying) promise.

N900 was announced very carefully because Nokia knew that this kind of sentiment, unfinished device, would be brought up. After the miserable N97 lauch fail (and the device is still paying the price for it) I think they have learned a lesson or two about unfinished devices.

N900 blew my mind because of so much potential the platform promises, have not heard prior to N900.

Having said that. If Nokia can not produce a less beta-ish device, Ovi services continue lumping (OMFG, I can not even sync my N900 with Calendar), the launched Apps for windows/mac are still half baked (what is the difference between pc suite and ovi suite?) I really think there is no way back...

Who is actually going to be building software for this kind of mess? Who will buy the promise that "this is the step 5 of 9263"? Either I will go for Android and let Big G know all my dirty secrets or let Steve Jobs have my credit card in his pocket... Or then, dust off my old E61i and be happy :P

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it doesnt fits me (though it could perfectly fit a lot of people i guess).

two biggest fail for me are, simply, shape and size. i really dont see the point of them. its not a good compromise between iphone and a laptop, its a much bigger fail than a netbook (which is actually useful rarely). its really an unusable iphone on steroids! i cant imagine using this other than on a couch or a bed. but, hey, you could watch your 50 inches tv from there!
anyway, no surprise, i knew that. and im not a nokia fanboy, i want nokia to do something for the n900 to make it fly NOW or this will be my last nokia device - no excuses.

for the rest, im waiting for the microsoft courier, or maybe something similar (maybe from another company/os...). that could fit me, that could be useful for taking notes during class and most of all it uses the shape and size of something little less prehistoric than a tablet, the same real books and notepads have.

Re: Apple iPad
 

Looks like it has rebounded.

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I'll b1tch about Fremantle all I want, thanks. Yes, the change in the core UI is huge between Fremantle and Diablo but so what when the basic functionality of the apps and phone are not up to snuff?

Shall we wait another 12 months for that to be put right, by which time we'll have to buy another device to continue helping Nokia with their open source experiment?

Do you honestly think this is how they can survive when the competition are banging out new devices with applications that have been carefully crafted to work perfectly with the capabilities of that new device?

Whereas on the N900 we get something that was designed for the 770 and remains unchanged in 5 years. A virtual keyboard that is now virtually unusable. Phone functionality that seems to have been designed by a novice to the mobile phone industry.

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You guys belittling this have no imagination. Just as one example, many older people still use photo albums. They could view photos on a computer, or they could even hook up their phone to the TV, but in the end there are too many steps involved to be pleasant.

But this thing, it sits on your coffee table in standby mode, you prod it a couple of times, and then flick through photos as if they were pages. Instant gratification. So what if it doesn't fit in your pocket and is too small to be a computer?

The OS is epic fail, of course, but we're the only ones who care. And like it or not, our only hope is Nokia, who can't even ship a decent RSS reader with the N900, and who unbelievably manage to fill a stable OS (5800) with bugs just to add widgets to the start screen (N97).




Nokia, you have ONE shot left. Maemo 6 had better be out of this world, and Ovi integration needs to be flawless, and you need to have music, ebooks and tv shows.

And by flawless, I mean things like when you click on a contact in the address book, there's also a button to view public Ovi photo albums in a native application. And there's a "wall" widget with status updates of friends on Ovi Contacts - from which you can equally easily open peoples' contact cards.

AND the existing apps need to get to a flawless state and not gain new bugs in new releases, especially WITHOUT new features (Symbian, I'm looking at you.)

AND Maemo 6 needs to expand the form factors asap. So Nokia can leverage Ovi and do stuff like photo albums on a 10" tablet, but with much greater scale and communication/location integration.

Stuff like THIS is why you've spent billions on Ovi and Navteq, right? Not just so I can upload geotagged images to a mediocre webpage? (Which is nice enough, mind you. I use it. But everyone else will be stuck in Apple's ecosystem, because they found all the functionality linked through the iTunes store.)



I love the N900, and the OS UI is wonderful, but right now I'm hoping that all the mediocre bundled apps are mediocre simply because most of the stuff is being rewritten in Qt, and there will be an explosion in quality after Q3.

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And even despite the shortcomings, there will be people all over this, because people that consume media, only really need a screen. It is too limited to do any power job. It doesn't have HDMI! I was thinking on the Zune :P

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Don't worry, I've an iPaq HX4700 sitting in a drawer somewhere... VGA screen but still a horrible device. :)

Compared to WinMo the Nokia devices are a joy, but that's not saying much! :)

Re: Apple iPad
 

are you deliberately missing some essential points? i bet you are so no point going further.

Re: Apple iPad
 

Interesting idea, and closer to working for me--but not there yet.

OK, I am listening to MP3s. My colleague wanders up, and I pull off the headphones. Do I stop and pause the music, negelecting my colleague? No. This leaves the music running. OK, following our conversation, I dive into work on project A -- not putting my headphones back in. They lie there on my desk, quietly buzzing away. (I don't generally crank my headphones.) Now when a travelling colleague who has only my mobile number in his blackberry rings me. I don't hear it, and project B has a sudden crisis what could have been avoided.

I think we've discovered a third option that some people might want. and the setting does need to be controllable.

Re: Apple iPad
 

Such as?

No really, please do.

Re: Apple iPad
 

Would you care to define what `real content` means? N900 has undeniably the best browsing experience of all portable gadgets out there, and its browser can access more web pages and web services than all the Apple portable products combined, and the internet is full of all kinds of content.

So, what content N900 cannot access that iPhone/iPod can? I can think of hundreds of examples where the equation is opposite.

Re: Apple iPad
 

So it's basically an ARM on which there can't be any free software developed. Good for Apple, and a continuation of their non-FOSS ways.

$500 for an N900 never felt so sweet.

Re: Apple iPad
 

I suppose, but why not just view the stats on your phone

Re: Apple iPad
 

A 54 minute doucumentary on Apple fanaticism
http://www.hulu.com/watch/94300/macheads
hope nobody has posted this yet

Re: Apple iPad
 

ha i wouldnt swap my n900 for 3 ipads!
noticed on sky news hat nokia didnt get a mention when talking about tablets, and they were talking about 'apps' like they were iexperts, i was putting apps on my n95 before they had even heard the word 'apps'
steve jobs probs just got his n900 and started to flap, so he rushed the ipad out!
(id still ave one for free mind!)

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Or you can just stop the music. But hey, if you can convince Nokia to add an option I'm down with that, but that's not their style. :(

The thing is that very few (any?) phones in my experience have ever played the ringtone out of the speakers when headphones are connected, but that is now - bizarrely - what the N900 does and I'm sure it caters to a few corner cases - your corner case - but the reality is that most people will have the headphones in their ears when the call comes in. You quickly learned that when you were no longer listening on the headphones you disconnected the headphones from the socket...

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$500 for an N900 never felt so sweet.[/QUOTE]

meee tooo i had an Iphone and i gifted to my cousin xaxa it sucks this will be too

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Of course you can do that over the web, but I was thinking more of a tailor made application for the iPad with it's high resolution display. Sure, peering at a 3.5" screen loading web pages will work too, but maybe not as nice.

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No flash. LOL.

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Yes, but this is marketed as a computer, and not a phone. People have different expectations from a computer.

Re: Apple iPad
 

Is it really being marketed as a "computer"? I find that unlikely for Apple, this will be some sort of digital assistant/eBook Reader/Life Planner/etc. - anything but a computer.