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GeraldKo 2009-05-30 04:32

OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
A place to go to if you're inside a thread and you get into pissing contests* or ad hominem attacks.


:)


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*A pissing contest is any argument that just goes back and forth between two individuals but never gets resolved.

Here's the context of how this thread came to be. Just follow the links like breadcrumbs, and work your way backwards in time, from post #897 to 896 to 894 to 892 to 874 to ...

Thesandlord 2009-05-30 05:31

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
So now we discriminate against the outside.

I see how it is, what with you and your damn logical fallacies. Don't you know the internet IS the outside, where logic is a toaster's bedroom. Take that!

What has the world come to.....

q335r49 2009-05-30 07:01

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lol man, lol.

ad hominem is like one of my favorite words. Although I typically have problems with precisely the opposite problem, which is where an obsession with logic or with the obvious and evident leads one to forget the intention, and one just grows lazy and claims that the argument doesn't convince them rather than making any effort to understand the other hominem. And then I often make the accusation that "you don't believe in humans". What would the opposite in Latin be, con hominem? You need to make you arguments more con hominem.

Texrat 2009-05-30 07:24

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I'm all for ad valorum. Yeah, that's where the real action's at!

Or ad nauseum. Ooo, I almost forgot about that one!

qole 2009-05-30 07:33

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What is this ridiculous thread? I can start better threads in my sleep.

What's with the all-caps first word in the title? Don't you KNOW you're not supposed to use all caps? It's like you're shouting!!1

Use your inside voice!

Idiot.

;)

totololo 2009-05-30 09:43

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
Pissing contest ? Huh ???
Are gay guys allowed in you contest ? ... I would defeat you all yark yark yark !!!

YoDude 2009-05-30 11:17

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by totololo (Post 292069)
Pissing contest ? Huh ???
Are gay guys allowed in you contest ? ... I would defeat you all yark yark yark !!!

Yup... and so are women.

To be fair to all though... let's get the rules straight. No aiming!

fpp 2009-05-30 11:46

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
Now here's a useful thread if there ever was one...

Quote:

Suave turbantibus aequora ventis
a monte nauta spicere...

totololo 2009-05-30 11:47

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Yark yark yark ! :D

YoDude 2009-05-30 12:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 292058)
What is this ridiculous thread? I can start better threads in my sleep.

What's with the all-caps first word in the title? Don't you KNOW you're not supposed to use all caps? It's like you're shouting!!1

Use your inside voice!

Idiot.

;)

Qole you ignorant slut, this thread was formatted this way for a reason. For instance GeraldKo used code words like ad hominem attacks...

If he called it flaming he was afraid it would attract more people like totololo. (ya dumb *****) http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/wa...smiley-027.gif http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/wa...smiley-010.gif

totololo 2009-05-30 12:22

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:D I just wonder what word was under the ***** ... As a non native English speaker ... it's difficult to guess, and so less fun. :D

http://planetsmilies.net/obscene-smiley-7193.gif

timsamoff 2009-05-30 12:52

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Ahhhhhhhhh.... Relieved now.

Tim

YoDude 2009-05-30 12:59

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Hey! How did my shoes get wet?

Texrat 2009-05-30 13:02

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
Sorry YoDude... I crossed streams with Tim.

mullf 2009-05-30 14:04

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 292113)
Sorry YoDude... I crossed streams with Tim.

Dr. Egon Spengler: There's something very important I forgot to tell you.
Dr. Peter Venkman: What?
Dr. Egon Spengler: Don't cross the streams.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Why?
Dr. Egon Spengler: It would be bad.
Dr. Peter Venkman: I'm a little fuzzy on the whole "good/bad" thing here. What do you mean, "bad"?
Dr. Egon Spengler: Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
Dr. Ray Stantz: Total protonic reversal!
Dr. Peter Venkman: That's bad. Okay. All right, important safety tip. Thanks, Egon.

BrentDC 2009-05-30 15:44

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Unknown
The FLAMERS BIBLE

Origin: Unknown (actually, I wrote the first one a few months ago, but I thought "origin: unknown" looks cool)

Revision 1: Dec. 2, 1987 by Joe Talmadge

In the time I have been posting to net, I have encountered flame wars of epic proportions (Brahms Gang vs. Tim Maroney), and flame wars of a more modest nature (MIT vs. CIT). Flaming has evolved into a highly-stylized art form, complete with unwritten rules and guidelines.

Here, I have attempted to document the Art of Flaming, in such a way as it will be interesting to old hands (flame masters) and novices (virgins) alike. Without a further ado, then, I present:

The twelve commandments of flaming

1. Make things up about your opponent: It's important to make your lies sound true. Preface your argument with the word "clearly." "Clearly, Fred Flooney is a liar, and a dirtball to boot."

2. Be an armchair psychologist: You're a smart person. You've heard of Freud. You took a psychology course in college. Clearly, you're qualified to psychoanalyze your opponent. "Polly Purebread, by using the word 'zucchini' in her posting, shows she has a bad case of penis envy."

3. Cross-post your flames: Everyone on the net is just waiting for the next literary masterpiece to leave your terminal. From rec.arts.wobegon to alt.gourmand, they're all holding their breaths until your next flame. Therefore, post everywhere.

4. Conspiracies abound: If everyone's against you, the reason can't possibly be that you're a ****head. There's obviously a conspiracy against you, and you will be doing the entire net a favor by exposing it.

5. Lawsuit threats: This is the reverse of Rule #4 (sort of like the Yin & Yang of flaming). Threatening a lawsuit is always considered to be in good form. "By saying that I've posted to the wrong group, Bertha has libeled me, slandered me, and sodomized me. See you in court, Bertha."

6. Force them to document their claims: Even if Harry Hoinkus states outright that he likes tomato sauce on his pasta, you should demand documentation. If Newsweek hasn't written an article on Harry's pasta preferences, then Harry's obviously lying.

7. Use foreign phrases: French is good, but Latin is the lingua franca of flaming. You should use the words "ad hominem" at least three times per article. Other favorite Latin phrases are "ad nauseum," "vini, vidi, vici," and "fetuccini alfredo."

8. Tell 'em how smart you are: Why use intelligent arguments to convince them you're smart when all you have to do is tell them? State that you're a member of Mensa or Mega or Dorks of America. Tell them the scores you received on every exam since high school. "I got an 800 on my SATs, LSATs, GREs, MCATs, and I can also spell the word 'premeiotic' ."

9. Accuse your opponent of censorship. It is your right as an American citizen to post whatever the hell you want to the net (as guaranteed by the 37th Amendment, I think). Anyone who tries to limit your cross-posting or move a flame war to email is either a communist, a fascist, or both.

10. Doubt their existence: You've never actually seen your opponent, have you? And since you're the center of the universe, you should have seen them by now, shouldn't you? Therefore, THEY DON'T EXIST! This is the beauty of flamers' logic.

11. Lie, cheat, steal, leave the toilet seat up.

12. When in doubt, insult: If you forget the other 11 rules, remember this one. At some point during your wonderful career as a flamer you will undoubtedly end up in a flame war with someone who is better than you. This person will expose your lies, tear apart your arguments, make you look generally like a bozo. At this point, there's only one thing to do: insult the dirtbag!!! "Oh yeah? Well, your mother does strange things with vegetables."
The Golden Rule of Flaming

My flames will be witty, insulting, interesting, funny, caustic, or sarcastic, but never, ever, will they be boring.

Here endeth the scriptures.

..........

geneven 2009-05-30 16:03

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeraldKo (Post 292033)
A place to go to if you're inside a thread and you get into pissing contests or ad hominem attacks.


:)


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Ok, I will use this space here to respond. My comments in THAT thread are accused of being equivalent insults of those of a critic who accused me of being as paranoid as someone who thought that the mafia put a radio transmitter in his LSD.

Let's examine that.

Here are some quotes from my original post, that drew what I called insults:

"In some ways, these esteemed people are talking like they have conferenced and developed talking points to use against the supporters of the Nokia Internet Tablet as we knew it. It's kind of like political threads, in which people use pre-rehearsed arguments, obviously having learned the technique from Communist Party propaganda techniques back in the 1950s, even if they weren't around then.

Those of us who have supported Nokia here also have our talking points too, because we have been arguing for the Nokia Internet Tablet for years. But it's strange that there are so many of these aliens now.

(Disclaimer: I have nothing against aliens. It's those antennae that I find disconcerting.) "

Note that I used a number of qualifications. I said "in some ways" these "esteemed people" are talking "like" they have talking points.

The question is, is this equivalent to telling me that I'm as crazy as someone who thinks the mafia put a radio transmitter in his LSD?

I say it's not.

Is it impossible that people conferenced about the reaction that this announcement might draw and developed arguments against it?

No, it is not impossible.

Is it impossible for the mafia to put a radio transmitter in LSD and transmit someone's thoughts?

Yes, it is. So, if I am being paranoid, it is a much milder level of paranoia.

Did I attack some specific person?

No I didn't.

But my 'critic' DID attack some specific person, me.

The effect is that this critic is silencing me, and I am lumped with him as being in a 'pissing contest'.

Are we equivalent? No, I am not in a pissing contest with this person. I have not attacked this person. This person has attacked me.

totololo 2009-05-30 16:04

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
I hope there is a shower near the contest's place ... :p

... what ? ... why ? ... why don't you want me anymore in this contest ? It was goïng to be fuuuuuuun ... :(

penguinbait 2009-05-30 16:05

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http://www.crazydribble.com/wp-conte...g_elephant.jpg


pissing contest? we have a winner!!

totololo 2009-05-30 16:07

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That's not me on the picture, I swear !

daperl 2009-05-30 16:12

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
Well, I was just about to sit down and enjoy my breakfast. Some of that enthusiasm is gone.

totololo 2009-05-30 16:16

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:D... Sissy ! :D

penguinbait 2009-05-30 16:40

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Let's see you beat this

http://www.imageenvision.com/sm/0012..._christmas.jpg


EDIT
OK, elephant wins the pissing contest in the "quantity" division, and Santa wins in the "writing in the snow" division

Thesandlord 2009-05-30 18:09

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 292058)
What is this ridiculous thread? I can start better threads in my sleep.

What's with the all-caps first word in the title? Don't you KNOW you're not supposed to use all caps? It's like you're shouting!!1

Use your inside voice!

Idiot.

;)

The internet is the outside. Get with the program...

Benson 2009-05-30 18:59

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 292152)
Is it impossible for the mafia to put a radio transmitter in LSD and transmit someone's thoughts?

I don't think it's impossible -- I'm pretty sure they did it to me, too....

GeraldKo 2009-05-30 19:02

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 292152)
Ok, I will use this space here to respond. My comments in THAT thread are accused of being equivalent insults of those of a critic who accused me of being as paranoid as someone who thought that the mafia put a radio transmitter in his LSD.

I figure I'll give a little context to THAT thread and this thread.

munky261 2009-05-30 19:38

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3 Attachment(s)
LOL, lets see if anyone can beat these.

qwerty12 2009-05-30 19:41

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http://www.crowpoint.com/pics/euro5/...f_shitower.jpg

daperl 2009-05-30 21:20

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1 Attachment(s)
Quote:

Originally Posted by totololo (Post 292159)
:D... Sissy ! :D

Enjoy your dinner!

Attachment 3555

totololo 2009-05-31 00:08

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:eek: Daperl : disgusting, wicked, perverted ... sissy. :D

Justjoe 2009-05-31 01:05

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
totololo, I realize this is a bad place to ask, but what is your avatar? (Perhaps if this post receives "thanks"es it will show that I'm not the only one to wonder about this). :p

Joe.

totololo 2009-05-31 09:11

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
Justjoe, don'worry, this thread is soooo stupid that anything will be OK here ...

My avatar is a little stuffed Totoro, like in the japanese anime "tonari no Totoro" probably translated as something like "my neighbour Totoro" or in french "mon voisin Totoro".

It's a very good anime movie directed by Hayao Miyasaki.

trin20t 2009-06-02 08:22

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by totololo (Post 292088)
Yark yark yark ! :D

Your laughing is infectious! :D:D:D

YoDude 2009-06-02 09:51

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JayOnThaBeat (Post 292862)
Is this where you go when you "IMHO" reply about the validity of a thread thats in the wrong section and gives very little details about a "perfect" accessory that can't be bought online, and then the guy asks you if your life is hollow or some such nonsense and then you want to beat him up online using a boxing glove made of 1's and 0's, all the while typing one, fairly long, run-on sentence?

Yup, this would be that place. :D

totololo 2009-06-02 17:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by trin20t (Post 292868)
Your laughing is infectious! :D:D:D

Yes, I know.
Sometimes you may read "Gniark gniark gniark" too, and "Mwaaaaarf"

Justjoe 2009-06-02 18:34

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
totololo, reading that there is no way I ever would have figured that out, so thanks!

/me hits the spot where a thanks button would be.

Joe

totololo 2009-06-02 19:38

Re: OUTSIDE: Pissing Contests and Ad Hominem Attacks
 
Justjoe, Whaaaat ? you don't know Totoro ???
Shame on you !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Neighbor_Totoro

daperl 2009-06-02 21:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by totololo (Post 293051)
Justjoe, Whaaaat ? you don't know Totoro ???
Shame on you !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Neighbor_Totoro

Totoro's last known whereabouts:

Attachment 3562

At least Satsuki remembered her umbrella.

gerbick 2009-09-02 02:52

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Wow.

And here is the filler text.

Texrat 2009-09-02 02:57

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/me slaps gerbick around with a large trout


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