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Let's talk about something called giving money for a phone like this... Ok, I'm Nokia fun and I will always be, but I'm bit disappointed with a lot of things... What we got for 550 euros (price in my country) is just a phone with sms function (nothing special- many things are missing), call function (many bugs), camera (today experienced a problem- started camera and when shutter button pressed, contacts open and it froze itself)... Web is ok for now, but honestly expected a bit more. And what else... Linux is great solution for many things, but having bugs and problems that are every day different is just not ok. Nokia should consider of implenenting stronger camera, better processors (faster) and everything I can see is that 90% of people here are waiting for new update and sit with their finger on the mouse to do it. What is going to be better, what will be same, noone knows. This open source is great thing, but c'mon, you didn't expect that people fix bugs on their own. Just give us working OS and we will enjoy making it open. I just hope as rest of you that my money is more valuable than this phone is now...

P.S. Sorry if my english is wrong... Best regards

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..........waa

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I appreciate you posting this in nonconfrontational-fashion... that's better than most of these threads start out.

I'll only address one point since most of that is subjective: people who voluntarily fix bugs for Maemo aren't expected to-- they relish the opportunity. I wish more coming into this would accept that.

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I dind't say that fixing bugs and everything connected to this open source is wrong... I really enjoy seeing people doing their job and I'm sorry for not beeing able to do the same... I use that fixes, modds, and everything else that is making things work bettes... This is subjective opinion, I'm not posting anything offensive to Nokia, people on this forum or any of the users... As I said, I'm just bit disappointed, that's all... Hope that my wishes are not something huge... :-)

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Then I guess I don't understand this statement

Are you suggesting that Nokia has fixed zero bugs?

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The internet is superb! I often use it over my Mac if I want to do any browsing, thats how good it is.

I hate that this place is where people come to vent about how they don't like the product. If you don't like it, sell it, and get something you like rather than putting a big negative spin on the forums.

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Didn't mean that people fix all of the bugs, but updates are just too slow... Sorry for beeing direct and honest... And also for last reply, I didn't say that I don't like it, and that I hate it... Just want everything working and it feels that is going just too slow... I even suggested some stuff in bugzilla, solved it... I want to be active as much as I can...

Also, and again... I didn't post this to insult anyone, or to be one more idiot who is not using 10% of the phone and start to complain... I love it, and I want it all...

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I have had my annoyances with my N900 but none compare to the 2 weeks I had to do without it.

To me it is not a mobile phone, more a pocket pc that can also makde calls. I have tried the droids, apples, palms and even wm!! However if you want an all singing all dnacing phone then maybe the N900 is not the best choice.

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Next time, do your research before buying something.
Missing phone features have been known since August, you have only yourself to blame for that.

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No need to apologize for being direct and honest-- everyone should be. No offense, I just didn't see that statement as honest.

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I still remember how buggy and instable n95 used to be with it's first firmware. There are updates coming (PR1.2) and hopefully MeeGo too in the future. Just be patient.

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Well, we all have our own preferences. For me, N900/maemo is exactly the platform I had been waiting for many years. And for me, the only sad thing worth mentioning is the maemo/meego confusion. I guess it would have been too good to be true without that :(

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Ok... Since August? Still sooo buggy... I think that we miss-understood... Maybe I didn't explain in right way... Anyway, like my first sentence was, Nokia- my choice, N900 best at the moment (used to have almost all models of Nokia), used and had bunch of pocket pc's and iphone (also have it now). People, I don't mean anything bad, like I said, just a bit disappointed with some stuff, that's all... Nothing special...

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Well the public release, in the UK, was mid December (I know because i was waiting day by day :( ) It is buggy, but no more than most devices i have owned (Apple Newton, Psion 3c, Palm Vx, Sony NX73, UX50 and Nokia N95 8Gb). But it has done far more for me on day 1 than those devices ever achieved when I had finished with them.

The iPhone is a classic case, now after more than a year it is close to bug free. I wager the N900 (or other Meego device) will be far better in 18 months.

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Trully hope so... This is comment I expected... Nothing bad at all... "I know because i was waiting day by day" (this is why I started a thread)

Cheers

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Before booking a flight, DO U DO RESEARCH of how many turbulences there will be, or who the pilot will be, or how many air hostesses will be on the flight???

IF every single person did their research properly, this phone would be only in the pockets of reviewers (plus some fools) at this moment...

IF people cannot complain on here, how will others (Those who are 'researching') find out about the phone??

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Amen.........Consumer is always right!

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An informed customer is the best. ;)

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I did loads of research and watched numerous youtube videos. Not one of them told me I would need a degree in Linux, maemo open platforms or any of the other blah and jargon.

Not one review said you cant copy your contacts to your sim, so forget about having groups, not one said it doesn't work with pc suite and you cant bluetooth photos to your pc, not one said you cant delete a music track from a playlist.......

I could go on, but its bedtime....

I think they might just have been a tad embarrassed that such simple features aren't there!

there's a lot of features I like and I'm desperate to love this phone, I'm trying honestly! I saw it as a natural progression after my n95 and waited for it 3 months after my upgrade was due and was so excited....

I hope everyone's right when they say it will get better

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Are you sure. I loved my N95 8Gb, but when my N900 had to be repaired I found th N95 to be close to torture, it was as if i was back in the dark ages. N95 was a great phone with mediocre web capabilities. N900 is the reverse and I know which I prefer.

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If you don't mind, there are a few things in what you've stated that echo a lot of perceptions many have said here, which should probably be addressed. This isn't necessarily personally to the quoted person, but it applies to that person and others who share their viewpoint:

There's no platform that doesn't have a specific "personality" or "character" that doesn't take some getting used to. What is more or less shocking is that you went into this platform with the Nokia experience and brand so powerfully etched in your mind that in not getting that accustomed or expected experience, you felt as if in coming here (maemo.org) that you'd get some solace and possibly someone(s) to explain things in a manner similar to what you were used to from your previous Nokian experiences...

...this isn't the Nokia experience that *anyone* is used to. If after watching those videos you still kept this viewpoint and therefore got to this level of disappointment at the level of knowledge and language that this community has developed, then it would be you/the purchaser who needs to adjust.

Speaking first as a reviewer, secondly as a (once) user: there are a lot of items missed in reviews. Given that many of the earlier reviews came from reviewers who either knew the product, or didn't have a Nokian experience to base things on, you should expect a few missing pieces. Even still, most of these issues were spoken about during Maemo 5's development process which wasn't hidden from anyone who was willing to dig into a mailing list or two.

I still resist the notion that the N900 is a phone first. Part of that has to do with its industrial design, the rest with the platform's lineage and design-as-is. To that end, coming from a smartphone and expecting this to pick up where your smartphone (or smartphone expectations) left off is misguided. For one, this device is of a type that hasn't been done before to this scale. For two, Nokia - in announcing the device - were all but open in talking about some of the UX gaps (with many others being exposed by those early reviewers).

Its up to the user to adjust their perceptions, and then evaluate the user experience on that. Its not up to Nokia - at least not at this point.

Spiritually, yes, its a natural progression from the N95/97. Totally. Like the N95, this device and its platform are unchartered areas for mobile, and Nokia knows this. Fans and apologists of this platform know this. And those who adjust their perceptions after doing a bit of homework know this. Its when we are ruled by our perceptions of what mobile in *this device* should be - or, we carry the legacy perceptions and expectations from previous devices - that we are disappointed.

There's nothing wrong with being disappointed. But to be disappointed will always equate to a lack of viewing things in their correct light, and adjusting your boundaries accordingly - or in other words, its not the object (Nokia) that needs to change, but the subject (you, the user).

If there's anything that Nokia has shown with every device, including the N95 that you quoted in having, is that in time that their devices not only get better, but the vision of how Nokia sees them is realized by the users. For those that manage to stick with a device through these iterations, these impressions of being a finished and polished product resonate towards expectations of other devices. In some respects, Nokia has done well in starting from a finishing point (see the N85 to N86), in others not as well (see the N95 to N96 to N97).

Point being, they have improved the device(s) and services offered with them over time. Given the very unexpected and public reactions that Nokia has received about the N900, and the anticipation that many still have about Maemo/MeeGo, they've got time to get things right and make the final impression of the N900 a very solid one.

You might need to learn a bit of Linux, you might have to become active in this and/or other Maemo/MeeGo communities, and you might end up leaving this device/platform for something else - only to come back to this because you were missing *something.* Whatever happens, you make the choice to purchase, and now you've got to make the choice to adjust your perceptions.

Expressing discontent doesn't fix anything. It might spark a few folks towards making a change. But, that will fizzle out in time. Turning your discontent into something that willingly and directly creates opportunity for others is more enabling - and more follows the ethos of what it means to purchase and use the N900. If you (or anyone else really) can wrap your perceptions around that, you'll find less time to be disappointed, and more time to create a better mobile experience.

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I won't say it is the bottom line but nowadays, I think Im getting there myself.

I have bought n900 last Jan.23,2010, when supposedly many of the bugs since last year have been fixed. I remember having a NOKIA 3310 like 10 years ago, and i though navigation with that phone was bad, now I kind of wish I still had that phone.

I researched. I knew the phone/mini-PC still had bugs. But why? Why release a phone/mini-PC that can't even be stable just for browsing? Random reboots, missing basic functions, etc..

I have been enjoying my n900 since I got it and I do my best to maintain it. I find many developers are trying their best to make apps as useful as possible but the OVI store, damn, which should have been the foundation of apps, ONLY IS A BETA. COMING SOON, COMING SOON, blah blah.

RANT RANT RANT, I know. I love my n900, its still good. Just buggy.

People people, manufacturers should have the MAIN SUPPORT even for OPEN SOURCE devices. So, I am very glad maemo.org exists! Thanks for doing your best guys, honestly.

(I want to stick with my n900, its been being useful enough for me, but then the USB slot came off(with the epoxy thing on it).. I can't charge or get to USB mode without trying for a few minutes. Abuse? No, I take care of my gadgets fine.)

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i most certainly agree 100% this is true, without people buying the phone and discovering whats wrong with other consumers would only have a very limited amount of information to base their opinions of the phone on, this also goes for Nokia, as there are Nokia reps that visit this forum, seeing as it is mostly us the community that finds the bugs and reports them without that they wouldnt fix any of the bugs as they dont personally have the time to search for bugs and fix them as well!

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I agree with you bigbatica...my thoughts are also similar..but I am not disappointed with N900...I am just optimistic that it would get better with new updates coming. (I too agree that we have to always wait for longer to get updates).