android beats iphone OS Q1 USA
 

so, a fragmentable linux-type OS with multiple form factors CAN beat the monolithic iphone...

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...one_in_us.html


I guess Nokia will be in fine shape then if they can get some meego devices out in the US

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Doesn't that mean that the competitions have become fiercer for Maemo/MeeGo in US?

Instead of just having to contend with Blackberry and iPhone, which each have their own market niches; Now Android is mature enough to pose as yet one more of the formidable foes.

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Didn't I predict that the competition was going be someone that was multi-platform (e.g. Android)? :P

Up until the Meego announcement I pretty much considered maemo one of those niches.

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Yeah, I've made similar comments in the past too... it was quite obvious when they've gotten Samsung's support. I predict that Apple will probably regain their old spot in Q2 and/or Q3 (due to their yearly new model launch) before they get overtaken by Android; permanently this time.

They still have the most apps in their app store: 196k apps in the appstore, 230k approved. Yeah, I've no idea what theyre doing with those numbers. I'm sure they're delaying the 200k'th apps on purpose, to coincide with WWDC or something.

They can also still boast about being the most profitable (per unit) in the smartphone arena. This is quite enviable, as it directly relates to long term sustainability of the companies...

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As much as I love both Android and the iPhone OS. Personal phone is iPhone, and business is a droid.

The stats are going to favor android because it can be used on multiple handsets. When you have 20 handsets running andriod, and only 1 running iPhone, sure android is going to out sale the iphone.

But if you look at the sales for any one particular device. I.E. Nexus One or Droid the iphone still wins.

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I know. :D

I can't imagine Apple will keep the app number advantage for long as Android continues to solidify their position. Especially if Apple keeps their draconian policies over the app store (and programming languages). For now they have the advantage of numbers.

Out of all the other competitors I think the Meego/Symbian combination is probably the only feasible competitor Android will have for dominant marketshare if Nokia positions it correctly (unlikely) and if any other company is still interested in making devices that will run Meego or Symbian (again probably unlikely as they are taking to long before Android grabs all the hardware makers). Everyone else will likely end up with smaller groups of marketshare.

We'll probably see the same thing happen in the tablet space too.

And it's no surprise Apple's the most profitable per unit. That's always been the way they operate. Or at least as long as I've remembered (Post-Steve Jobs returning). Sell one piece of hardware (tied in with their OS) at a high premium. (granted there are variations such as storage space, or different specs in laptops).

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wow, 196000 apps, no thanks, I still can't even decide between vi and nano, although I did give up on emacs long ago :) Seriously what kind of duplication and redundancy is there in there. I could try 10 apps per day for the next 53 years! I am not a communist or anything, ut I don't really see a need for me to go to the grocery store and there be 294 different brands of chocolate chip cookies and 1235 different brands of salsa. That is the state of the app-store today. You need some seriously heavy duty chest height cruft waders.

For many, many of these things that are so called apps, the browser would do just fine, then again it is a nice neat little way of having preloaded graphics packaged for your platform in order to try to swallow the web with a closed ecosystem, nice try Steve.

Of course Apple has the highest margin on their devices, they seemed to always have had that little extra $omething :)

So now to the Android thing, as android seems to be the inevitable next mobile OS market leader in the US, I think Nokia's strategy of a range of devices from phones to tablets to tvs, etc all running meego is definitely a better arrow for the NEW target. So much for the folks on here who wanted to stay with Nokia if they would just switch to a monolithic one device,one OS,one app running at atime, one application store, lowest common denominator strategy. There is already a company for that, Apple. Apple, i hope you enjoyed your 2 year run on top, you just got niched.

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Isn't RIm #1?
Why should Nokia/Intel be trying to beat Apple and not RIM?

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Well yes that's a good point, but the trend has been that Apple's "up and coming" stealing the market from old horses like RIM. :) And doing it so fast, that others must react that they don't lose their share.

Nokia's still biggest in the world and still they've been criticised for being late. :)

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i feel android is going down the same path as the outdated winmo: no standard hardware, no standard resolution, no standard physical input mechanism... these issues are gonna create a lot of problems on apps compatibilities on different devices

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one of the few things i like about windows 7 is that it has minimum spec list manufactures have to adhere to. less market fragmentation that way. look at how man android phones are still running 1.6 with 2.1 being out now.

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http://images.appleinsider.com/npd-100510.png wow . . android is coming for that number one spot!!!

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@laughing man: it'd be interesting to see how apple's android vs android's marketplace plays out. Apple has advantage in 'conventional' strategic positions (multiple media contents under one roof, many licensees, proven business model, end to end control down to the devices, shared resources for all their content) while android has the 'freedom' (or rather 'less censor') tag/ideology going for them.

@quipped: it does seem that way from the outside, doesn't it?

@the clueless: except that they already have winmo to learn from and ensure that they don't make the same exact mistake.

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I like competition, it keeps everybody on their toes and spurs innovation. It would be terrible if Nokia or RIM or Apple were the only game in town. However I have hesitated in purchasing Android phones because of uncertainty:

- uncertainty about which Android device to buy
- uncertainty regarding firmware upgradability - most devices seem stuck on old firmware
- uncertainty regarding app/device compatibility

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...t_version.html

It's fantastic to say that Android devices outsold iPhone devices, but where is the benefit if most Android apps can only run on some of the devices? IMO as a developer, it totally defeats the objective of targeting a "single" platform. Android urgently need to address the fragmentation issue.

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the benefit is with the manufacturers who would like to sell you a newer device rather than update software for your old device.

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In that case I'll budget for three.

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True, though I think that's going be a problem with any platform. Even Apple is going start having troubles with it as they continue to upgrade their hardware. Though they're in the best spot as of now due to their one hardware at a time approach.

And as for some alternative viewpoints.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...les_stats.html

Of course it's just Q1 stats, and the iPhone 4G is coming out (so it might swing back in favor of Apple). But I think they missed the entire point of Android outselling the iPhone. It's that Android is finally significant enough to be a competitor to Apple's platform. Even if in Q2, Q3, or whatever Apple manages to outsell Android, I can't imagine it'll be long until we see Android re-gain its position and then start pulling it away as more and more people get on the Android platform.

Also for the specific budget for three problem, I agree that's a significant problem and obviously hardware makers have an interest in getting you to buy the next new model. Though one consumer unfriendly way you could mitigate it (which isn't a solution for everyone but at least for those in the tech know how). Is to choose an Android device like the Droid that has custom ROMs?

My friend who has a Droid can pretty much run whatever ROM he wants. He's always showing me something new from the latest ROM he's changed to.

If I was going buy an Android device I would wait to see which one has the ability to run custom ROMs. Same if I were to ever consider the iPhone (make sure it's easily jailbroken lol).

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There's no question that Android's impressive recent growth is a sign of things to come.

But I wonder how many successful mobile platforms the markets can support.

IPhone, Android, Symbian, Windows, RIM, MeeGo, Palm. IMO that's too many and some will fall by the wayside. Which ones?

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http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/arch...carrier_1.html

That post makes a lot of sense. Perhaps iPhone can still hang on to its spot above Android til the end of 2010 if all of that materialize:

$59 iPhone (3G)
Availability on Verizon (and other carriers)

All this spells out a harder battlefield for MeeGo the longer it delays the market entry.