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Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
So tell me... If say, 5% of MeeGo is closed, and "40%" of Maemo is closed... If just one thing in that blob for MeeGo sees a major update in Meego 2.0, but a new blob isn't released for N900 CE, doesn't that mean you can't update? At the very least it means you'd have to backport the old interface into the new system, which even if you could, would break lots of things and probably make that port/platform an outcast. How is that "so much better"? Claiming one thing is vastly "better" because it's "more open" is a farce.
So, if you're going to do the backporting thing, don't you think it's more easy if it's 5% closed than 40%? Don't? Seriously? Seriously?

Look. I've run WebOS on the N900. A operating system that is more closed than Maemo. I studied the components that were open to understand what those that were closed did. And I've thanked god for every single component where they decided to reuse existing opensource code instead of reinventing the wheel.

You saying that "the more open components the better" isn't true as long as there's one single component that is closed just feels plain insulting to me. And probably insulting to all the people that have fight harder than you have for what has been opened. Or those who have reimplemented the parts that itched them most.

Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
If you're comparing something 5% open vs something 5% closed, there may be a tangible difference. But MeeGo, for all it's community governance (see how long that lasted?) is still quite closed, in almost identical ways to Maemo.
You mean Meego on the N900 I guess. Last time I saw Meego was still 100% open (and Intel even gets to release somewhat working graphics driver for free, something we have not yet seen from Nokia).

Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
I'd wager if you tally the numbers, the difference between the two is under 10% when it comes to how much is closed, which makes arguing that point effectively moot.
No, sorry. I can at least boot Meego on the N900 with only open components. I cannot do that with Maemo. I can probably consider replacing all what is closed in Meego within a lifetime. I cannot do that with Maemo.
Both are in a different league. You are calling the point moot way too early.

Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
I have a solid resume in micro systems design, close to 20 years of experience in the field, and am first signer on several patents through Xerox. I've worked in open and closed source systems in the past, and have extensive reverse engineering skills. So yeah, I totally lack experience. And I've clearly never ported anything.
Sorry, but I keep my "baseless" accusation even more after reading your last post. You don't even know what the closed components in Meego for the N900 are.

Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
But hey, think what you want to. If it helps you sleep better at night to have that "extra 5% openness" in MeeGo, you go for it. To me, the point is moot. Just as moot as caring about your thoughts about me, or your baseless aspersions to my character and credentials.
*Sigh*. Well, go on with your opinion then. I do not want you to change it. I just want to avoid people quoting your post like it was the last truth ever spoken.

And please note that yes, an extra 5% of openess makes me and a lot of people sleep better. Means shorter night hacking sessions, thus longer sleep times. So you are right in this regard.
 

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