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Originally Posted by Boke View Post
Just try to go toany other bugzilla outthere and mark a bug as resolved with the comment "Fixed in my branch" without providing any patch or info, and see the reaction.
Bugzilla is a software tool. Maemo isn't Debian. It isn't Ubuntu. It's a mobile operating system, based on Linux and other leading-edge open source frameworks, owned by Nokia.

Quim, you're right when you say our objective is to get Fremantle in our hands, but you're wrong thinking that the way you bring it to us is even near the best one. If you don't want to work with bugzilla and hide everything until the release, just don't use bugzilla. If you want to work colaboratively with users and use bugzilla, you'd have to do it another way.
80% or more of Fremantle will be open source, with source and bug tracking available through maemo.org. However, Nokia need to have a marketing advantage - and this means that some element of secrecy is inevitable :-(

Personally, I'd love to see Nokia use the experts in the maemo.org community more fruitfully, to design things; review specs and collaboratively develop Maemo to be the best it can be.

However, that may never happen. It's disingenous of many of those in this thread to suggest that Nokia should do things better. Things are better already. A quick look through Bugzilla at all the things we now know are going to be in fremantle or harmattan should make it clear that Nokia have already come a long way in the last year.

So, let's be positive about this: we're supposed to be an intelligent bunch - instead of saying "you've said you've fixed this in fremantle; but I haven't got fremantle - please spend time fixing and releasing diablo" (which would inevitably push fremantle's feature list down and its timescales out); let's start coming up with concrete suggestions on exactly what Nokia should do.

Some base principles:
  • At this point in a release's lifecycle, Maemo Software are going to be focusing on the next release.
  • With the efforts going into fremantle, backporting individual fixes isn't realistic.
  • Nokia want fremantle to have a big a splash as possible.

If there's a way of meeting everyone's requirements, within these parameters, Nokia aren't going to ignore it: they're not evil, they're just a company trying to keep everyone (developers, enthusiasts, shareholders, the board) as happy as possible.
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