So... Having arrived at page 14, at least I learned: That Hildon development has officially stopped (the git link placed somewhere earlier). I had not seen that before, probably due to the fact that I am relatively new on this forum. Proper education of new people coming in. That some people prefer to get into semantics based on the wrong use of words like "us" and the like. (Al though I will admit I was put off by the thread title as well.) It would actually be nice if people would try and remember that a lot of people here do not speak english as their Proper education of new people coming in.primary language (I for one). That there are positive examples of devices no longer supported by their manufacturers, machines that manage to stay alive for many years after the support was dropped. I guess to get further with this discussion a couple of things would be needed: A focus on the OS of choice, which for me automatically means maemo5. Dedication to future development and fixing existing bugs in said OS. A constructive way of communicating. More than is the case now. None of this is possible without a strong community. And that is how I interpreted the use of the dreaded word "us".