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	danramos	2010-12-09 , 00:15
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Originally Posted by jflatt

Source ?

Ah, hello there! I see you must have only just joined the conversation and missed some of the conversation. That's alright. Welcome!

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

Is that for Maemo or QT though? I can see why you would stop developing only for Maemo if you have a commercial interest (no future platform, small userbase, etc..). Now is Instinctiv a QT app that can run on any QT 4.7 platform, or is it a N900 specific application?

It's for Maemo, clearly, but that has the effect of also choking off developing that same product for MeeGO (QT) because they've already told them to hold off developing for Maemo.

Originally Posted by marxian

@ jflatt

I believe those comments are made with reference to the experience of Instictiv, and their decision to discontinue development of their application.

I don't think it was ever realistic to expect a thriving market for commercial applications on the N900. The user base is too small. The experience of Instinctiv has no bearing on the feasibility of developing applications using Qt. Their decision was based on economics, and nothing to do with technical considerations.

Precisely! On all points, you're on the mark.

Originally Posted by Dave999

no sorry. I am from the future and I can tell the n900 will live happily ever after.

Oooo.. tsss, sorry, lad. It truly does sound like you just arrived here from about a year ago. I think you got all turned-around. That's understandable if you're depending on OviMaps, though.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing

Android maybe is more open with the sources but you forget the fact that Google doesnt give a **** of "sourcecode" theyre only intrested in web and control people that way. Bussines as usual.

Atm. Android is hyped as hell atleast in my country and that makes atleast me from that kind of ****...

But I agree that Meego + Intel seems to be a mistake so far...

Can only hope that Nokia holds back ALOT of UI/backend handset stuff and comes up with some suprises in april 2011...

Right, then. Can we have the English version of your message, now, so that we can at least have half a chance of understanding your blatherings?

I at least understood the part where you stated some sort of agreement about MeeGo and Intel being a mistake--which is absolutely not what I communicated. I, in fact, pointed out that if MeeGo succeeds, it's DESPITE Nokia and probably more to Intel's credit given Maemo's history with Nokia so far.

Originally Posted by attila77

A few notes - Android operates in a fundamentaly different way so these comparisons are apples and oranges. When you talk about the open Android, you forget the 'flavor', the things vendors (do not) put in. Just because something is Android based, that doesn't mean you would not have kernel driver issues, potential lack of source of it's Sense/Blur/YouNameIt interface, etc. Also, Google's cloud services seem to liberate them from open source expectations, as if something executing on a server makes the source irrelevant. Well, if I need to call a web service in blackbox fashion, it IS as bad as a binary blob (in fact, it's a bit worse, as at least the blob can't be taken away from me as easily). Thus the bottom line is you should be comparing generic Android with generic Linux, and (service backed) vendor implementations with other vendor implementations.

I can understand where you're coming from with this and I can agree with some of it, but I think that the openness on the device is a far cry more important (as that's the thing I own and bought and should have the right to tinker with). If a closed application sits atop of an open operating system (or very, far more open one than Maemo has been), it's a VAST improvement over my ability to have the device and operating system *I* want to run regardless of these applications that communicate with the web. Especially since Google began untying the apps from the OS, thereby freeing me up even moreso and allowing me the TRUE option of running alternatives that don't HAVE to come with the firmware image. As time goes on, I think the carriers will also see that adding crapware and excluding things from the OS will hamper sales of their products over their competitors who don't practice this. This competition doesn't even exist in the Maemo world at all. MeeGo is still far too narrow to see this type of competitiveness but I have high hopes (but cynical expectations, given Nokia is involved) that MeeGo will be good enough to operate above that sort of skivvy level operations that the likes of phone carriers are perfectly willing to. We'll see.

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