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Originally Posted by tkatchev View Post
MeeGo is governed by the Linux Foundation. What is Ubuntu governed by?? Mark Shuttleworth?
http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/governance

It's a lot like MeeGo--only they seem to have a more diverse population of participants than MeeGo allows (from commercial, mainly Canonical as the holder of trademarks and largest contributor, to hobbyists to end-users) and they seem to have their collective organization and participation together better too. You really should try Google more often and read up before you try to make it a point of argument.
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Originally Posted by tkatchev View Post
MeeGo is governed by the Linux Foundation. What is Ubuntu governed by?? Mark Shuttleworth?
Please read this.
Quote: The MeeGo project is hosted by The Linux Foundation.
And this please.

As for Mark Shuttleworth and Ubuntu, I've already mentioned that you might argue about Ubuntu and CentOS.

Originally Posted by tkatchev View Post
Indeed, and I'm sure that many people agree with you on that. (Intel top-managers among them. )
Among hardware manufacturers Intel is the most open (network cards, wifi, chipsets, graphic cards).

Originally Posted by tkatchev View Post
Nvidia and ATI are essential.
(Unless you don't ever-ever want to watch a movie or play a game on your device...)
You can not play movies? Do you need 3D graphics for watching a movie?

Which games? Linux is not famous as a gaming platform.
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Which games? Linux is not famous as a gaming platform.
I could argue the point by making the case that the reason for that might be because there are so few graphics drivers specifically designed for Linux with performance in mind--thanks to closed-source binary blob drivers... and because of the simple chicken-and-egg problem: Linux gets fewer games because there are fewer Linux desktops... and there are fewer Linux desktps used in gaming because there are fewer games.
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#34
Good lord, that is my point.

MeeGo is governed in pretty much exactly the same way that Ubuntu is governed.

Either you can call both open-source, or you can call both closed-source.

Claiming that MeeGo is somehow more 'closed' than Ubuntu is a ridiculous and utterly ******ed double standard.

Originally Posted by danramos View Post
http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/governance

It's a lot like MeeGo--only they seem to have a more diverse population of participants than MeeGo allows (from commercial, mainly Canonical as the holder of trademarks and largest contributor, to hobbyists to end-users) and they seem to have their collective organization and participation together better too. You really should try Google more often and read up before you try to make it a point of argument.
 

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Originally Posted by momcilo View Post
Please read
Uh, dude, read it yourself. From your link, the very third sentence:
The MeeGo project lives under the auspices of the Linux Foundation.

You're too ridiculous to even have this discussion with, please go troll somewhere else.

You can not play movies? Do you need 3D graphics for watching a movie?
Yes, you absolutely 100% do need 3D graphics for watching a movie.

Unless you're content with watching only postage-stamp sized 320x200 'movies', that is. But no sane person on this planet really means watching 320x200 clips when they're talking about watching movies.
 
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You do _not_ need "3D" (what are you describing with that term anyway? A separate GPU? render-to-texture?). What you need is enough horsepower*, be it from the application processor/ main CPU directly, or from DSP, or from GPU acceleration, to push a certain amount of pixels (compressed or even uncompressed) during a given timeframe. Maybe additional time/power to post-process them.

If you have to implement video playback, using software rendering _or_ any form of accelerated playback is depending on the combination of HW+SW on that particular SoC / board.

Gosh. People did "WOW!" stuff all the time for years, and almost all of them in _software only_. Guess you never watched creations from the demo scene during the (at least) 1990s.

* measured in whatever values you want: DMA bandwidth, cache size, MIPS, whatever.
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Originally Posted by tkatchev View Post
You're too ridiculous to even have this discussion with, please go troll somewhere else.
I dislike the term "troll". Saying to someone "you are troll(ing)" is same as saying "you are Nazi". I would appreciate if you could avoid labeling me in future.

We may have different opinions. Everybody are entitled to opinions and ability to express them. If there is a conflict of opinions, both sides should try to resolve it in civil manner.

I wanted to point you to the fact that open source and open does not always mean what we assume. It is all about the fine print.


EDIT: Added the following:

This thread was about "Where are all the MeeGo tablets?".

We are still waiting for the answer, but please note that the last TSG meeting occurred on April 14th 2011.
This can mean either of two things:
  • meego is loosing the momentum
  • they have chosen to be less open of their activities
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In 2011, here and today, for playing back movies you need a decent GPU with DSP, and the only way to make use of the GPU/DSP is via a proprietary binary blob.

End of story, there is nothing to discuss here. Anything else (including reminiscing about the demoscene as it was 25 years ago) is totally off-topic.

Originally Posted by don_falcone View Post
You do _not_ need "3D" (what are you describing with that term anyway? A separate GPU? render-to-texture?). What you need is enough horsepower*, be it from the application processor/ main CPU directly, or from DSP, or from GPU acceleration, to push a certain amount of pixels (compressed or even uncompressed) during a given timeframe. Maybe additional time/power to post-process them.
 
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Originally Posted by momcilo View Post
We are still waiting for the answer, but please note that the last TSG meeting occurred on April 14th 2011.
This can mean either of two things:
  • meego is loosing the momentum
  • they have chosen to be less open of their activities
No, it means something else entirely.

The only hardware manufacturer who is interested in openness is Intel, but as of 2011 there isn't an Intel CPU or SoC that is good enough for tablets.

ARM manufacturers aren't interested in openness, in fact, they stand to profit from closed, proprietary systems.
 
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Originally Posted by tkatchev View Post
In 2011, here and today, for playing back movies you need a decent GPU with DSP, and the only way to make use of the GPU/DSP is via a proprietary binary blob.

End of story, there is nothing to discuss here. Anything else (including reminiscing about the demoscene as it was 25 years ago) is totally off-topic.
"the only way to make use of the GPU/DSP is via a proprietary binary blob." That i do not reject, as we all (should) know it's a common situation. I still don't get it why you reject anything else besides GPU/DSP. What was your background again? You can "play video" solely using software playback, even 1080p60 and similar formats. If it is within "acceptable performance" on a given system is written on another page.

"End of story, there is nothing to discuss here." I find you quite ignorant. Nothing as good as a fruitful and fulfilling discussion...
 

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