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#91
Originally Posted by Kangal View Post
So I agree, it seems like the OPEN device that was so revolutionary for its uses, is becoming more and more mediocre everyday and is eventually going to become obsolete.
And yeah, this circles back to the point I've been wanting to make. Device X comes out, has amazing capabilities! Does everything you want! Can't be beaten!

Device Y comes out. Suddenly, device X has mediocre capabilities! Does nothing you want! Is obsolete!

The N900 did everything I wanted when I bought it. It didn't suddenly stop doing everything I wanted when the iPhone 4S came out. It still hasn't stopped doing everything I wanted today. And I will bet you, when the sun rises tomorrow morning, the N900 will still be doing everything I want.

Yeah, it's sad that Nokia itself is slowly going under, and has stopped producing any successors to the N900. And yeah, it's nice that if you take an iPhone, hack up its OS sufficiently, and throw enough external keyboards and dongles and gee-gaws on to it, you can create a device that works sorta like an N900. But I see no reason to give up mine just yet.
 

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#92
Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE View Post
you honestly think an N900 cannot control a helicopter.

besides that, the N900 can charge or be charged by other smartphones,
it can quad boot (maemo + 3 other OS'es)
it can control a robot (as i said previously)
it can be used as a tv or xbox remote control.
it can jailbreak the PS3
its numerous keyboard shortcuts can do almost everything a PC does (screenshot, reload, open apps, zoom in/out... to name A FEW)
it supports mouse (and built-in virtual mouse) and usb sticks

comparing the iphone with the N900 proves you don't know what you're talking about.

it has the best multitasking ever created on a smartphone
a pretty good SAR value
dual speakers
camera lens cover
full flash web experience
its OS is fully customizeable
its qwerty makes it a great video game emulator

and so many more i'm tired to include now

sure it lacks apps and hype but it is light years smarter than an iphone

It's apples (literally) vs oranges my man.

even the N8 destroys the Iphone. check the "it's not technology, it's what you do with it" promo on youtube

* sorry for typo. just watched "the walking dead"
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I am more than sure it can. That it is not up for debate. It is possible. It is also possible for it to run iOS. But it doesn't. We have already established the N900 is superior to the 3GS, but due to lack of development on Nokia's end (and the Ovi Store) it is left up to the Maemo community to make it happen... and I don't see any helicopters.

You don't need to remind me of all the things a N900 can do, I have mine sitting here right next to me.

The point your missing is I have years of experience with the N900 and now I have months of experience with the iPhone 4S 5.1.1 jailbroken. You are missing the latter.

I know exactly what I am talking about. It seems that you are the one who does not in regards to the iPhone.
 

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#93
Originally Posted by javispedro View Post
Siren vampire trolling, here I come!



Oh yeah! A bluetooth (de)tachable (and thus, lose-able) lame keyboard that comes with an additional set of batteries you need to remember to charge. What a GREAT idea! Who could EVER possibly want something else?

Now go troll somewhere else, we have true pros here.
Or at least try to stop sounding like one.
It's a case. How would you loose it if your device is attached to it? I was considering getting it until I adapted to no full QWERTY keyboard.

You have proved yourself as a "pro" by your statements.
 

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#94
1. i havent tried chrome, it might have better web 2.0 support.
2. leaving bluetooth on ads a few mA to your current consumption.
i live in cali too. use gloves at work.
4. cydia? i guess a jailbroken iphone 4s is a pretty good thing then.
are there any downsides to jailbreaking? i feel silly saying "jailbreaking." does it ever crash or hang? does it affect battery life? i have never had the n9 hang or crash on me, stop working correctly is adifferent story.
5. jail broken feature again i suppose.

i have always admired apple for doing their own asics for the iphone but besides your convincing arguments i could never buy an apple product again (ipod video was the last) because they are so smug at their "events" like that Southpark episode where all the Prius riders smell their own farts. They talk about we did this like noone ever done it. we put a phone in a iPod touch, its so great. we charge you an extra $100 for a 2 dolla part (16gb flash). we help at&t over charge you so they can in turn help us make a 70% margin minus NREs.

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1) Try Chrome for iOS.
2) Yeah, I have to turn my Bluetooth on.
3) I live in California, I cannot comment on gloves.
4) Cydia has many adblockers.
5) Yes and Yes.
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#95
It's actually possible to multiboot android on IOS devices. Not sure if it's more or less useable than Nitdroid. Though I don't really see the point in doing it other than proof of concept?

Dousan...

e: here are some links about android on IPhone.

How to install:

http://m.lifehacker.com/5693309/how-...six-easy-steps

And a wiki page where it seems to be mostly working on older iPhone models and even less useable than Nitdroid:

http://www.idroidproject.org/wiki/Status
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#96
Originally Posted by xxxxts View Post

You don't need to remind me of all the things a N900 can do, I have mine sitting here right next to me.

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And yet you came to rely on "there is an iAPP for that" at some point

it is not because Nokia threw away the future of mobile computing that Apple holds the solution.

Looking at the whole iJailbreak story... I think part of iPhone ownership joy could be to detect and convince owners of non Jailbroaken iPhones to "get the best out of it" by jailbreaking and "revolt" against Apple's lock down policy.

N900 users are never going to be that grateful when you show them the light.
 

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Originally Posted by Kangal View Post
Okay, now you are the troll.
We aren't discussing the iPhone v N900. We are discussing a jailbroken iPhone... BIG DIFFERENCE.
Fine. But if we are discussing jailbroken iPhone, we may as well discuss overclocked N900, or N900 running an alternative operating system.

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I was saying the virtual keyboard isn't as bad as people say it to be, its definitely better than the N900's vkb.
N900's vkb can be replaced with something else. Develop your own virtual keyboard, and it will be not worse than of any other device you have seen.

Originally Posted by Kangal View Post
So I agree, it seems like the OPEN device that was so revolutionary for its uses, is becoming more and more mediocre everyday and is eventually going to become obsolete.
Any device can become obsolete. Handheld, like CLIÉ SJ33, or a phone made by Siemens. But as long as it works, its obsoleteness doesn't matter. Somebody will continue to use it, somebody will continue to develop for it.

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Originally Posted by Wikiwide View Post
Fine. But if we are discussing jailbroken iPhone, we may as well discuss overclocked N900, or N900 running an alternative operating system.
Sorry that's what I meant. An N900 with any modifications compared to an iPhone 4S/5 with any modifications (jailbreak).

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N900's vkb can be replaced with something else. Develop your own virtual keyboard, and it will be not worse than of any other device you have seen.
Yes, theoretically you can make your own vkbd, but it won't be anywhere near the fit, polish and performance ofthe iPS one.

Originally Posted by Wikiwide View Post
Any device can become obsolete. Handheld, like CLIÉ SJ33, or a phone made by Siemens. But as long as it works, its obsoleteness doesn't matter. Somebody will continue to use it, somebody will continue to develop for it.

Best wishes.
Thanks.
That's not the point. The point is that by today's standards the N900 is a lousy smartphone but a competent "computer". The iPhone is a great smartphone, and when it's freed, it can do some/most "computer" tasks the N900 can do. It may not be complete yet, but so far, getting a jailbroken iPhone can mean having the best of both worlds.
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My laptop broke, the n900 has been my computer for the past 1 month, I find that despite...

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Originally Posted by Kangal View Post
Okay, now you are the troll.
We aren't discussing the iPhone v N900. We are discussing a jailbroken iPhone... BIG DIFFERENCE.

You can use ANY bt devices once its jailbroken, just like the N900.
Actually, perhaps more since its got a newer BT 4.0 chip [...]

They were saying the N900 is more superior because it has a physical keyboard. I was saying the virtual keyboard isn't as bad as people say it to be, its definitely better than the N900's vkb.
I do not understand what difference between a "jailbroken" and a normal iPhone when it comes to... an external bluetooth keyboard. In fact, I am not sure you want to address me here.

I was just saying to that guy that was loudly asserting that "no rational personal would ever need anything more than a detachable keyboard with another set of batteries" that his solution is much more crappy than he thinks it is. It will make you have to reach the charger much more often, both because of the additional set of batteries and because of the additional load on the iPhone itself.
So the benefit of a built-in keyboard is still there for those who want it, despite his trolling. Please note that I use a N9 myself, which has no physical keyboard.

And good point about BT 4. I think that's the first thing that has come in this entire thread where anyone found something that the iPhone can do the N900 cannot........... as long as you don't realize you can plug an off-the-shelf BT4 adaptor on the N900 via the USB port, if the need ever arose. Something you can't do on the iPhone: it has to be a special made adapter. And who is going to make iPhone-propietary hardware that only works with jailbroken iPhones?

But the line has to be drawn somewhere (otherwise, as I have argued, both devices are Turing machines and thus capable of the exact same set of features).


Originally Posted by xxxxts View Post
I am more than sure it can. That it is not up for debate. It is possible.
Unlike you, he's actually pointing things he's been able to do with his N900.

And btw, I did run iOS applications on a N900...
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