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2008-04-12
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I see i'm not alone. The NIT is such a great idea, except it takes a lot of work to perfect, and this forum doesnt help.
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2008-04-13
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I'm not going to reply to the rest of the topic, because mostly it either seems to be nonsensical arguments from people with an axe to grind or responses to an issue which didn't manifest itself in this thread.
I do take issue with this, though:
How many questions do you see go unanswered on these forums? Not many (almost none, in fact, and those that do ), and most are answered very promptly and thoroughly—much better than the much touted Ubuntu forums where questions routinely never get answered at all.
You can perhaps fault some of us for poor bedside manner (I'm included here), but (in my opinion, of course) a little bit of brusqueness towards voluntary stupidity, unpleasantness and an unwillingness to invest a little time towards fixing your own issues is a small price to pay for free prompt, able and intelligent support.
Note, unfortunately it seems that the poster changed his post in the process of me replying to his original post in which he claimed that the community was not very responsive. As the reply was already typed out by the time I noticed that the quote had changed, I'm just going to go ahead and post it.
I do take issue with this, though:
Originally Posted by manchuia
Above content was changed in the process of me generating a reply, the poster originally alleged that the community was not very responsive.
I agree with some of the other people. The NIT is very cool, but you need a community to figure half the stuff out, and some of this community are not very friendly.
How many questions do you see go unanswered on these forums? Not many (almost none, in fact, and those that do ), and most are answered very promptly and thoroughly—much better than the much touted Ubuntu forums where questions routinely never get answered at all.
You can perhaps fault some of us for poor bedside manner (I'm included here), but (in my opinion, of course) a little bit of brusqueness towards voluntary stupidity, unpleasantness and an unwillingness to invest a little time towards fixing your own issues is a small price to pay for free prompt, able and intelligent support.
Note, unfortunately it seems that the poster changed his post in the process of me replying to his original post in which he claimed that the community was not very responsive. As the reply was already typed out by the time I noticed that the quote had changed, I'm just going to go ahead and post it.
Originally Posted by OppositeOfIgnorance
I believe if you'd ask around, you'll find a lot of satisfied customers who got a rather exceptional amount of competent help from these forums.
The NIT is such a great idea, except it takes a lot of work to perfect, and this forum doesnt help.
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2008-04-13
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@ Charlottesville
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
I'm not going to reply to the rest of the topic, because mostly it either seems to be nonsensical arguments from people with an axe to grind or responses to an issue which didn't manifest itself in this thread.
I do take issue with this, though:
Above content was changed in the process of me generating a reply, the poster originally alleged that the community was not very responsive.
How many questions do you see go unanswered on these forums? Not many (almost none, in fact, and those that do ), and most are answered very promptly and thoroughly—much better than the much touted Ubuntu forums where questions routinely never get answered at all.
You can perhaps fault some of us for poor bedside manner (I'm included here), but (in my opinion, of course) a little bit of brusqueness towards voluntary stupidity, unpleasantness and an unwillingness to invest a little time towards fixing your own issues is a small price to pay for free prompt, able and intelligent support.
Yeah, I reread what I wrote (I was more angry about the critique of why one should or should not buy an NIT in the first place) and realized that it was not true.
There are a fair number of helpful people on this forum
Some people's manners regarding topics they believe have been covered or going over tasks that seem rudimentary to them is the sticking point that I believe has caused this thread to go as far off topic as it has.
I apologize for initially stating that one can not get a useful / helpful answer by posting here.
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2008-04-13
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I enjoyed anderbrs original question at the begining of the thread and would enjoy some further discution on that topic.
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2008-04-13
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What would have probably been more helpfull near the start of the thread would have been a link to this thread where that article was discussed at length.
I would suspect it is better to continue discussion of that article there, as I doubt anyone is going to read this thread on that subject!
I would suspect it is better to continue discussion of that article there, as I doubt anyone is going to read this thread on that subject!
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2008-04-13
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@ NYC
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The search function on this site sucks, and those high-and-mighties that like to chastise users for asking questions they could not find answers to really need to get over themselves and ram it where the sun don't shine. I've sent two new 810 owners here since the new year, who purchased the device on my recommendation, and who were admittedly not the most internet-savvy users, and both came back to me and said nobody wanted to help them when they asked questions, just berated them for not knowing how to search properly.
That's not a community, that's just a bunch of self-righteous pricks who are evidently pretty proud of themselves.
That's not a community, that's just a bunch of self-righteous pricks who are evidently pretty proud of themselves.
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2008-04-13
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Originally Posted by Freiheit666
Really? I havent seen much of that since I was here. Some people can be funny, but most people are fairly good with newbies (especially compared to some places I have been).
The search function on this site sucks, and those high-and-mighties that like to chastise users for asking questions they could not find answers to really need to get over themselves and ram it where the sun don't shine. I've sent two new 810 owners here since the new year, who purchased the device on my recommendation, and who were admittedly not the most internet-savvy users, and both came back to me and said nobody wanted to help them when they asked questions, just berated them for not knowing how to search properly.
I certainly don't often see a thread go unanswered.
Can you provide a link to the threads in question?
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2008-04-14
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Originally Posted by Freiheit666
Please, post this sort of rubbish somewhere where anything like that is happening. No-one's asking a question (other than the rhetorical and/or flame-bait one in the title), it's a news link. So, of course no one's "helping" them.
The search function on this site sucks, and those high-and-mighties that like to chastise users for asking questions they could not find answers to really need to get over themselves and ram it where the sun don't shine. I've sent two new 810 owners here since the new year, who purchased the device on my recommendation, and who were admittedly not the most internet-savvy users, and both came back to me and said nobody wanted to help them when they asked questions, just berated them for not knowing how to search properly.
That's not a community, that's just a bunch of self-righteous pricks who are evidently pretty proud of themselves.
Posting a link to recent news in Gizmodo, and trying not to duplicate another thread, my technique would be to search (entire posts, not titles) for Gizmodo, for the appropriate time interval. (By principle of causality, I don't care if that Gizmodo article was linked sometime before it was posted on Gizmodo.
) Whaddyaknow, I'd have found the existing thread, even though Gizmodo was spelled wrong in the title. Nothing to do with itT's admittedly weak search facilities; it's just a matter of knowing how to search.
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2008-04-14
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To be honest, the burden should be on everyone (new or old) that if you make a new post, you prove that you have tried to search and could not find a thread discussing your question or topic. The forum gets clogged up with redundant threads and it's irritating to see 6000 "android on N810" discussions getting started simply because the search button wasn't being used.
Nobody is trying to make new members feel unwelcome, except when there is a lack of effort when posting. Had you put a 3rd line saying "I've tried searching but could not find an answer, can someone help?", that would have made all the difference. A title and a link makes you appear lazy and nobody wants to spend time contributing to someone who doesn't show some respect for the community.
By the way, I'm probably one of the newest to join, so I should be the last person giving this kind of tip...
Nobody is trying to make new members feel unwelcome, except when there is a lack of effort when posting. Had you put a 3rd line saying "I've tried searching but could not find an answer, can someone help?", that would have made all the difference. A title and a link makes you appear lazy and nobody wants to spend time contributing to someone who doesn't show some respect for the community.
By the way, I'm probably one of the newest to join, so I should be the last person giving this kind of tip...
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2008-04-30
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It seems everyone who doesn't try to learn won't learn. Apply this to the NIT's. I've listening to people who think you have to be a Maemo Dev or something silly in order to know what XTerm is or like more complicated things like porting using matchbox, or just overall what people deem tech savy tasks.
Seriously, I don't even own a Nokia Internet Tablet. But I technolust for it (ha ha,) and I just know many things about them. As always there is so much to learn.
Another point: Use your resources. Learning about Maemo, the Nokia Internet Tablets, and Linux in general is not limited to this forum. Check out all the blogs about these devices. Get on the mailing lists. Learn about the "evolution" (if you will) of linux on wikipedia. Learn an easy(ier) programming language like ruby or python. BTW, most things you need to know are already in the forums, or on another site.
maybe im just ranting too much, but isn't this a part of having a nokia internet tablet is knowing how to use it????
Seriously, I don't even own a Nokia Internet Tablet. But I technolust for it (ha ha,) and I just know many things about them. As always there is so much to learn.
Another point: Use your resources. Learning about Maemo, the Nokia Internet Tablets, and Linux in general is not limited to this forum. Check out all the blogs about these devices. Get on the mailing lists. Learn about the "evolution" (if you will) of linux on wikipedia. Learn an easy(ier) programming language like ruby or python. BTW, most things you need to know are already in the forums, or on another site.
maybe im just ranting too much, but isn't this a part of having a nokia internet tablet is knowing how to use it????
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Scraping money together to get a n810 and/or n800.
