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2010-01-15 , 06:13
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I would like confirmation on that...every tech spec I have seen has described the front camera as a 640x480 VGA camera.

If it isn't, it's going straight back to Amazon/Nokia for a refund.
 
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2010-01-15 , 06:29
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Originally Posted by uris View Post
Sorry, got it 'work' when initiating video chat from laptop towards N900.
With MacOSX 10.5.11 and Firefox with latest Google talk plug-in video starts for couple of seconds but then chrashes.
This is a known bug. It will be fixed in PR1.2 firmware.
 
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2010-01-15 , 06:37
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Originally Posted by Dak View Post
Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that the camera doesn't work....it works just fine....I'm concerned about the abysmal quality of the image.

@Alex - I'm aware of post-processing, but surely the raw image data shouldn't be this bad? Even when I completely cover the camera with my thumb, I don't see a flat black image...I see the same noise!

All I want to know is the hard technical truth....
back to the school. educate yourself a bit with topic "photosensitive sensors"

and spoiler: the darker the image, the more visible the noise (because there isn't enough light to get sensed by sensor so all you see is the background noise. background noise is a feature of digital sensors)
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2010-01-15 , 09:01
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Originally Posted by oscillik View Post
fact is: the camera is supposed to be there for a reason,
I wouldn't be too sure about this:
Both the N800 and the N810 hab a front facing cam. None of them had much practical value. I could get a video chat working with my N810 only a few weeks before the N900 was announced - and it required software on the other end that few people have installed.

So looking at this 3-year-history of useless front cams, I wouldn't be too surprised if the one on the N900 served no purpose at all.
 

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2010-01-15 , 10:02
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I noticed the poor quality as well... shame, this is my first device with a front camera, I expected to use it as a mirror (as the app offers) but it's really hard to see anything clear really. Do you guys think maybe it's the plastic cover of the front camera that's too dark?
 
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2010-01-15 , 11:02
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Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
and spoiler: the darker the image, the more visible the noise (because there isn't enough light to get sensed by sensor so all you see is the background noise. background noise is a feature of digital sensors)
In the end it comes down to signal-to-noise. The default gain is quite low, I have to gamma-boost it for people to see *anything* indoors. That's the main source of noise - with default settings it's not that noisy, except you can't see anything. I already experimented with hooking up the noise reduction elements from the main cam to see if it can help mirror, but there seem to be some hard-coded values in there which make this difficult to do in a way accessible to users (and since it's a Nokia license I can't even clone/tweak it as another element).

EDIT: I *could* trade resolution for less noise, e.g. get 320x240 via binning (this is not the same as recording in 320x240 !), but that's a lot of CPU usage there unless I can harness the DSP.
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2010-01-15 , 11:03
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Do you also have some "sticky" RGB pixels with the camera? The noise is obvious, but those are strange.

Edit: Now that's funny. These aren't really stuck pixels but they're more rectangles with a black pixel inside oO
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2010-01-15 , 11:07
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Yeah, those are hot pixels. As they are quite prominent, it seems that there is little postprocessing done on the raw image.
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2010-01-15 , 11:18
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These aren't really stuck pixels but they're more rectangles with a black pixel inside
Must be the upscaling algorithm. Every "pixel" shown is a rectangle...
 
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2010-01-15 , 11:44
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That can be a result of the bayer demosaicing, too, though. Or a combination (like the original hot pixel being removed AFTER demosaicing).
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