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	Texrat	2010-02-07 , 21:44
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And to add to Fargus' points: I'm on record here, even as a former Nokia employee, of finding fault with the N/E designation issue. I don't think an internet tablet or mobile computer should suffer the confines of either channel.

BUT!

it is what it is, folks.

Take gerbick's excellent advice if you want things to change.

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fatalsaint	2010-02-07 , 21:44
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Originally Posted by Fargus

Did you miss the bit about step 4 of 5 too?

Please understand I'm 100% on your side...

But I see this all over. Could someone please provide a link to an official nokia statement saying the N900 is nothing but a stepping stone to M6? Anywhere?

I do believe people should research a device before spending $600 damn dollars on it. If you have $600 to just spend on any new toy that hits the market then I'm sorry.. you get what you get and can complain till you're blue in the face.. won't matter. Obviously you're just Mr/Ms Rich and it really doesn't matter that the N900 is up to "your" standards.. you can just go buy something else.

For everyone else.. before dropping $600 on something it's most certainly a good idea to find out if it'll at least do what you *need* it to.

But.. I have no seen anywhere that Nokia has given the impression that the N900 is not supposed to be a "complete" device, or that it's just a test-bed platform.

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	Fargus	2010-02-07 , 21:45
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Originally Posted by Guber99

LOL. You truly are NOKIA apologizer

and you aren't being pig headed for the sake of it?

Guber99	2010-02-07 , 21:45
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I would vote to close this thread as some comments are thick. There will be no fix for security minded companies as provisioning is not provided, MfE is not an open source and therefore fix will not be available. What Nokia writes or does not write doesnt matter. I have become used to having access to my corporate email as people are used to having text messaging, so when I get a device in my hand that costs $600, and for the past 4 years I never had issues with my corporate email on multiple Nokia devices, I naturally expected to be able to access my work email with N900. I depend on it. I have to respond to it daily, more often hourly. Nokia advertised MfE on N900. MfE to me means ability to access work mail. Clearly this is not the case for N900. I can not access my work email, and all the other thrills of n900 are useless unless I want to carry several devices. Do I care about getting my money back? No. I just forked $1,000 to get unlocked iphone 3GS, as I tested it on AT&T and found email great. But I would like to see NOKIA perform better with software support and implementation.

	Texrat	2010-02-07 , 21:47
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint

But.. I have no seen anywhere that Nokia has given the impression that the N900 is not supposed to be a "complete" device, or that it's just a test-bed platform.

Oh, it's out there, and in fact was strongly reiterated at Maemo Summit 2009.

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fatalsaint	2010-02-07 , 21:48
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Originally Posted by Texrat

Oh, it's out there, and in fact was strongly reiterated at Maemo Summit 2009.

Ok but that's not something the general consumer attended or even knows what it is. Where is it document by Nokia on any of their official and public websites/documents/details.. anything?

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slender	2010-02-07 , 21:49
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Sorry for taking these out of context..

Originally Posted by gerbick

....People around here lately have been assuming "Oh, you should get/stick/have an iPhone..." blah blah mentality much too much lately. And I'm personally against that.......

That's the problem. More "it's great for me! go get an iPhone" instead of "how can we help you?"...

T...

Hmmm. How on earth we can help when there is clear enchantment request for functionality that is probably deeply integrated to system? Go and code things to Modest? Should I be really happy and positive towards people asking "how i can send mms" and use same marketing as Nokia uses: "Just use fmms...it´s dead simple and easy" even thought reality right now is something different. It´s not with all programs that you can say "Do not use offical pdf reader use Evince" And boom 2-3 bugs/enchantments solved.

There is already people putting just bugzilla or brainstorm links to questions. Is that what you want? I would like to see that more but there will be still chatting about why this or that is not implemented out of box.

And also some people are saying that this is not final step. So should we just say wait for x months or what? Why it´s so bad to be realist and see that there is different devices for different needs. I understand fully that not all people have even one Q of time to wait or see what happens. Money making/loosing starts when you get your device out of shop.

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gerbick	2010-02-07 , 22:12
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Originally Posted by Guber99

I would vote to close this thread as some comments are thick. There will be no fix for security minded companies as provisioning is not provided, MfE is not an open source and therefore fix will not be available. What Nokia writes or does not write doesnt matter. I have become used to having access to my corporate email as people are used to having text messaging, so when I get a device in my hand that costs $600, and for the past 4 years I never had issues with my corporate email on multiple Nokia devices, I naturally expected to be able to access my work email with N900. I depend on it. I have to respond to it daily, more often hourly. Nokia advertised MfE on N900. MfE to me means ability to access work mail. Clearly this is not the case for N900. I can not access my work email, and all the other thrills of n900 are useless unless I want to carry several devices. Do I care about getting my money back? No. I just forked $1,000 to get unlocked iphone 3GS, as I tested it on AT&T and found email great. But I would like to see NOKIA perform better with software support and implementation.

Provisioning for MS Exchange can be licensed. Apple does it. Nokia does it on other E-series. So moving those needs in full to the N-series; you have your chance to fix those shortcomings.

Wouldn't it benefit more than just yourself to have that on the platform than just returning it and complaining?

Enough voices asking for something, it might happen. Otherwise, no voices, they'll never know it's a need.

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Guber99	2010-02-07 , 22:17
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I think that I have complained ad naseum, Vitaly from MfE knows its an issue, and I will wait for the next firmware or two to see what happens. The N900 is on my desk, where I like to play with it, but can not use it daily. I agree with your position, and if my persistence in posting this problem pays off in the future with provisioning, I will be happy not just for myself, but many others who have posted here with similar issues. Perhaps I am the most vocal of them all, or most persistent (which some translate into spam)

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Originally Posted by slender

Hmmm. How on earth we can help when there is clear enchantment request for functionality that is probably deeply integrated to system? Go and code things to Modest? Should I be really happy and positive towards people asking "how i can send mms" and use same marketing as Nokia uses: "Just use fmms...it´s dead simple and easy" even thought reality right now is something different. It´s not with all programs that you can say "Do not use offical pdf reader use Evince" And boom 2-3 bugs/enchantments solved.

Nokia would have to incorporate those things more than likely.

fMMS, from what I've read, it's not exactly integrated tightly with the system. But since it exists, you better believe that Nokia now knows there's a want for that functionality.

There is already people putting just bugzilla or brainstorm links to questions. Is that what you want? I would like to see that more but there will be still chatting about why this or that is not implemented out of box.

All of the above. Start the brainstorm, start the bugzilla posts... concentrate your posts into an area and invite others to that thread.

And also some people are saying that this is not final step. So should we just say wait for x months or what?

Man, I wish I knew the answer to that. I knew this was step 4 out of 5, and I had purchased steps 1 and 3, probably going to skip this step like I did step 2.

Why it´s so bad to be realist and see that there is different devices for different needs. I understand fully that not all people have even one Q of time to wait or see what happens. Money making/loosing starts when you get your device out of shop.

I'd never say it was bad to be a realist, nor that a realist wouldn't find points that they disagree with, or holes they see where refinements should exist.

People will have questions. I'm here at the forum because of a question... you probably are here due to questions too. So state them. Have them... fine by me.

I'm not against that at all. In fact, only thing I'm against is that these complaints are by people that are acting in a way that might get their grievance overlooked or dismissed. That can be avoided... as can avoiding pushing people that are helpful to this community due to just being downright antagonistic or negative.

It happens.