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2010-02-11 , 18:52
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#31
Originally Posted by slender View Post
Different gadgets for different needs I guess.

True and bit sad fact is that too many people like being like sheeps. They are lost if they are not given guidance and rules. Freedom of choice makes some people confused and lost and who likes to be lost? ME...I´m happily lost in ocean of choices with my N900 .

In a way Apple hits that sweet spot of people being lost and hits it good. Only thing that matters is how much you can make money out of something RIGHT NOW AND FAST. Good business is to "capture" credit card under one software and make it closed. And actually to provide quite nice user experience.

You should never ever overlook your competitors and for Nokia and also Apple there is things to learn from each other and competitors. Remember than Apple has always option to make their system open little by little.
I don't think you get it. Apple is big only in the US. Why? We're behind the world in tech know-how. We are the last smartphone market with room to grow because we're so late in the game. America just discovered Facebook, Twitter, and mobile email, while its the norm globally.

America needed to learn first, and have an easy to use device. Apple was perfect to introduce these technologies to the market. But now that the market is wiser three years later, its perfect for others to come along with more advanced stuff. Before, it was a hard sell. Not easy selling spaceships to countries that have no pilots and have never seen a single engine prop yet. Baby steps...
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As much as I love Nokia mate, they really dropped a clanger with the N97, coreplayer won't even run, core never finished optimising for v5 coz the N97 is as useful as a cock flavoured lollypop, if most of that 22mil is N97 sales then there will be alot of disillusioned owners out there, i went through 5 of the useless bits of kit until voda gave me an N900 under duress. totally diffrerent league.

Don't get me wrong, I loved symbian for years but i can't see how it could even begin to scratch the surface of how Maemo's blossoming
 
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then you fail to see the N97 was hampered by RAM, not software.
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Originally Posted by nifton View Post
As much as I love Nokia mate, they really dropped a clanger with the N97, coreplayer won't even run, core never finished optimising for v5 coz the N97 is as useful as a cock flavoured lollypop, if most of that 22mil is N97 sales then there will be alot of disillusioned owners out there, i went through 5 of the useless bits of kit until voda gave me an N900 under duress. totally diffrerent league.

Don't get me wrong, I loved symbian for years but i can't see how it could even begin to scratch the surface of how Maemo's blossoming

haahahha dropped a clanger. I love the British sense of humour.
 

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Nokia was always going to overtake Apple anyway. Nokias scale is so massive - I have seen an N95 in remote parts of Africa. Those that cannot afford one go for the chineese made NOKLA which actually comes with dual sim slots. Apple iPhone is another in a long line of tech fads and is probably not sustainable - remember Razr ?. Whatever, lets appreciate Apple for pushing the rest.
 
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Originally Posted by Enyibinakata View Post
Nokia was always going to overtake Apple anyway. Nokias scale is so massive - I have seen an N95 in remote parts of Africa. Those that cannot afford one go for the chineese made NOKLA which actually comes with dual sim slots. Apple iPhone is another in a long line of tech fads and is probably not sustainable - remember Razr ?. Whatever, lets appreciate Apple for pushing the rest.
You are right about scale.Nokia's jump reflects their introduction of a wide range of touch phones to replace non-touch phones. I suspect the numbers would be similar if the top of the line model's sales were subtracted. You add the bulk in the middle (as my waistline will attest).

That said, while the iPhone is no longer the juggernaut that it once was, it was and is in no way a tech fad. It defined the touch screen smart phone market that the OP refers to. There had been smartphones, some with touch screens, before the iPhone but Apple was the one who moved the concept from a niche product to the mainstream. Giving them credit in no way means that they haven't been overtaken now by other phones.
 

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Originally Posted by quipper8 View Post
it would be more interesting to see the breakdown by operating system.

My guess is that Android based phones will be the clear leaders from 2010 and on. This seemly apparent trend (Android's explosive growth) is getting more fuel all the time: google apps (maps, voice, etc), multitouch capacitve screen (ex. Motorola Droid, outside the US), large, beautiful screens, etc.

I wonder if Nokia also has plans for Android-based phones...

I, for one, would like to see a Davik Vm ported to the N900.
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Funny, no one paid attention to the fact that the report that the OP quoted seemed to denote that smartphone = touchscreen toting mobile.

If that's not a recipe for horrible market analyst methodology, then I don't know what is.

The other beautiful error is the media/fan(atic) uptake of these numbers as indicative of the mobile market. RIM has one touchscreen mobile, of course they'd look bad here. Nokia has 20+ and <5 touch, of course they could look bad too.

When sense becomes common, maybe we'd all have a clue.
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Originally Posted by mcdull View Post
My successful rate is 100% failure in convincing other people not to get an iPhone, not matter how much I have shown other phones is better, do the same at lower cost or better suit for their purpose.
Most of my friends still think N95 is not match to an iPhone in capablity.

Whether a product can take over the market is only partially because advance in technology but mostly marketing.
And Nokia's marketing is no match to Apple in US.
The satisfaction from Nokia users is declining while it's still growing for Apple

And once while you got people saying they want running Android on N900?

I don't think iPhone is as obsessed about numbers. They could never compete numberwise with PCs but they always had HIGH quality stuff. I prefer quality to quantity. Let's face it Nokia stuff is good but boring.
 
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Originally Posted by Guber99 View Post
Let's face it Nokia stuff is good but boring.
But it inspired that beautiful song I wrote edited for you.
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