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Originally Posted by smoku
Haven't you noticed you were wrong about "no DRM on Windows". That's the start.
Haven't you notice that the thread is about apps?
They have DRM for apps, DRM for music, DRM for widgets, DRM for apps that you buy via their Zune and Windows Media marketplace, DRM for podcasts, DRM for drivers on Windows.
Which part of that are you overlooking? You picked a wrong example, I linked you to parts that correct your mistake; if you wish to remain oblivious that I'm talking about DRM as an entirety - there's a DRM layer in Windows - then have at it.
I'm quite sure you'd see I was also talking about apps and much more.
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Originally Posted by ysss
Nope.
To be called an 'investment' there's gotta be a guarantee or some sort of legal binding between your spending and what you expect to get out of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investment
Investment comes with the risk of the loss of the principal sum.
Originally Posted by ysss
Ok, I did misread your post. I was led astray by the 'guarantee' part.
The part that you quoted was not the definition of 'investment' and I did not imply that investments are risk free.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
This part I'm interested in.
Haven't you noticed you were wrong about "no DRM on Windows". That's the start.
They have DRM for apps, [...]
Could you give me some pointers, because I would like to implement DRM in my Windows apps? Particulary prohibit installation on non approved workstations.
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Originally Posted by juise-
The part that you quoted was not the definition of 'investment' and I did not imply that investments are risk free. Here is the definition from wikipedia that you referenced:
Nope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investment
Investment is the commitment of money or capital to purchase financial instruments or other assets in order to gain profitable returns in form of interest, income, or appreciation of the value of the instrument.[1] It is related to saving or deferring consumption.
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2010-07-01
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Zune DRM? .NET DRM? Silverlight DRM? Windows Media DRM?
Which one? You're being awful vague. Just to settle your curiosity, we just had to create a Silverlight based kiosk, thus .NET and we had to do research into their Offline DRM. It meant that it wouldn't fail if our app couldn't get online.
The DRM was for the embedded videos, the actual install of the app - wouldn't install if it did not have access to licensing server - think certificate authority - and despite having the ability to synchronize from a central server, at times, we had to compensate for occasional downtime, so we use the aforesaid offline DRM.
Do the research. We had to. It's there. And if you're unwilling, that's on you.
Zune, Media Play for Sure, even signed apps for the Vista/Win 7 Widgets have a DRM routine. Third party apps and frameworks exist for that too - Active(something) was another route to do so... but it was cost prohibitive and we couldn't use their servers to manage installs from what I remember.
That's a start... enjoy the research.
Which one? You're being awful vague. Just to settle your curiosity, we just had to create a Silverlight based kiosk, thus .NET and we had to do research into their Offline DRM. It meant that it wouldn't fail if our app couldn't get online.
The DRM was for the embedded videos, the actual install of the app - wouldn't install if it did not have access to licensing server - think certificate authority - and despite having the ability to synchronize from a central server, at times, we had to compensate for occasional downtime, so we use the aforesaid offline DRM.
Do the research. We had to. It's there. And if you're unwilling, that's on you.
Zune, Media Play for Sure, even signed apps for the Vista/Win 7 Widgets have a DRM routine. Third party apps and frameworks exist for that too - Active(something) was another route to do so... but it was cost prohibitive and we couldn't use their servers to manage installs from what I remember.
That's a start... enjoy the research.
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2010-07-01
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Oh... "I know, but I won't tell."
That's a start... enjoy the research.
LOL. It's always so fun talking to children.
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One could really argue whether everything else (giving away something for free without any directly obvious advantage) would maybe be labelled as PR, instead.
But the bottom line is, even in the commercial world there's instalments of free giveaways, even if those are most probably not just made to get a fuzzy feeling...
And I can't seem to find the proposed lack in efficiency and variety with such free investments/PR items as for example Acrobat Reader, Cisco VPN client or the various free-for-personal-use software packages - each of which have the ulterior motive of luring in paying customers, but are free, nonetheless.
But the bottom line is, even in the commercial world there's instalments of free giveaways, even if those are most probably not just made to get a fuzzy feeling...
And I can't seem to find the proposed lack in efficiency and variety with such free investments/PR items as for example Acrobat Reader, Cisco VPN client or the various free-for-personal-use software packages - each of which have the ulterior motive of luring in paying customers, but are free, nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by smoku
Wow, you're quite childish. I've asked you 5 different scenarios and instead of showing which one, repeatedly you're curious about, you've taken this rather troll-ish behavior of answering none.
Oh... "I know, but I won't tell."
How about this. Answer, in one sentence what do you want? And I will point you in the right direction. You want a .NET app? A Zune app? XBOX Live App? What do you want? You've still not answered, so yeah... do your own research. Want me to point you directly to it, you'd have to answer. I don't read minds.
Hell, I even gave you an example of how I had used it, used terms that helped me solve my problem. What else do you want?
Now. Answer my question, and I will answer yours. It's that simple.
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Originally Posted by pantera1989
i'll keep that in mind
Read your first post please.
It seems like you think all the apps and games in the repositories are cr*p.
If you had asked a simple and polite question, users would have answered politely. Next time try this:
"Is the lack of professionally developed apps and games due to the lack of DRM on the N900? What do you guys think?"
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IE: when the 'free' phone is given out the customer signs a legal contract to legally bind them to pay the company a certain amount of fee for a certain period of time.
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