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	afaq	2011-01-10 , 22:08
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N900 made to look like a toy? I accept that, and don't think anyone disagrees, that Atrix is very powerful but to say N900 is a toy? Quite silly.
The Apple franchise is cartoonish in comparison but Maemo 5 isnt. I'd love to see Meego OS at it's peak and compared to these Google skins.

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	danramos	2011-01-10 , 23:40
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Originally Posted by eti1

I don't agree, our n900s don't looks like toys because of this feature:
*run a full debian in my pocket*

Yay. So can anybody else.

OH SHI'! It runs on an Android phone with NATIVE xorg.. WITHOUT VNC!!!
http://www.androidcentral.com/meego-...amsung-nexus-s

OH NOES! What can you boast about now???

Originally Posted by afaq

N900 made to look like a toy? I accept that, and don't think anyone disagrees, that Atrix is very powerful but to say N900 is a toy? Quite silly.
The Apple franchise is cartoonish in comparison but Maemo 5 isnt. I'd love to see Meego OS at it's peak and compared to these Google skins.

I agree somewhat with what you're saying: this is hyperbole. The fact remains that the N900 has no evolutionary replacement available yet and it's very outdated. Although community maintained open-source development would have helped it maintain some semblance of modernization, updates and improvements, Maemo isn't very open and Nokia is doing very little with the community to actually make it as useful or as capable as it could be. If you wanted to get something newer and better, your alternatives aren't Maemo or even MeeGo based. So, yeah.. the N900 looks like a toy compared to this bleeding-edge device, its specs and flexibility. To argue that the N900 is "good enough" or that it can do all the same things is religious zealous at its best and certainly doesn't ask Nokia to improve anything at its worst.

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geekygenes	2011-01-11 , 00:05
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Hang on a Nvidia Tegra 2 dual-core 1GHz processor.
Now I know Nvidia and there hardware can generate some heat.
I just wonder if this device will turn into a toaster before long><

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TiagoTiago	2011-01-11 , 00:10
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I thought you could already use x-servers and clients with the the N900, i'm pretty sure i've seen a video on Youtube where a guy shows his mouse cursor and keyboard focus moving across a bunch of machines in his office, a N900 among them.

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TiagoTiago	2011-01-11 , 00:17
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Another benefit of resistive screens, even if you need to use ovenmints 'cause of the temperature of the device you can still use the touchscreens :P

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	ndi	2011-01-11 , 12:15
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Originally Posted by danramos

Full keyboard support... not really supported out-of-the box, mind you. You need to hack it into doing it, wireless keyboard and all. Full mouse support... again, not supported, hacked. Large screen? Where? Uhhh, No. hahah About the ONLY good argument you made is that it does all the srtuff [sic] you want.

I have the feeling you didn't fully read my post. I may be wrong. I means it has full keyboard and mouse and display support via VNC.

I am referring to X11VNC server that is available for N900 just about after launch, which makes for an almost complete dock.

I fail to see how an actual hardware dock would benefit me in real life. You can't really play games over VNC but frankly if you have all that hardware one assumes you have gaming ability.

Also, typos are unavoidable on a small screen with a crammed keyboard and no spellcheck (most of my posts are from an N900). I think I have a pretty good ratio here.

Anyway, if N900 would natively support my wireless keyboard I couldn't care less. I'm mot lugging it around and I'm not re-pairing it every session.

VNC is the best thing that ever happened to N900. I have a client tree that lists all the PCs in my house, all at work (over VPN), plus a few other. Why would I squander seamless cross platform connectivity for a hardware rig? Bragging rights? I have other things to brag about.

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	nicholes	2011-01-11 , 12:49
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..............

[EDIT]hmmm looks nice but will be costly i think!

Last edited by nicholes; 2011-01-11 at 13:28.

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	PMaff	2011-01-12 , 09:07
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Originally Posted by danramos

Yes, I'm quite sure. About the only notable thing to point out is that they vastly improved the selection method in Swype and the new Android virtual keyboard where you get draggable flags on either side of the selected text--makes selecting text by finger MUCH more accurate.

Selecting text in most applications with the fingers on N900 is no problem (as long as you do not have very thick fingers).
Without "draggable flags".
;-)

Originally Posted by danramos

I'm still not sure I follow you. It's a long-press then you pick whether to copy-all, cut-all or select text. You can long-press to paste too.

I was just talking about the fact that even Andoid users are not very
pleased with the way of selecting.

Otoh on N900 it seems to depend on the application, if you can use all selection methods (e.g. classical sweeping over text for selection like in the xterm on all Linux machines that I had up to now).
Mailtool let you sweep over text for selection in the subject line but not in the message text, there you do it with shift-left and shift right.
What I am missing is the classical double click to select a word.
But maybe some applications for N900 do even that one.

Originally Posted by danramos

I'm sure you've long-pressed to do things in Maemo. I know I have. In either case, you didn't explain how, as you had postured it, Android was lacking a cut/paste. Please explain.

I said that it is imperfect.
"i use the copy paste often and it does lack"
( http://androidforums.com/droid-suppo...paste-how.html )
But as I said above it depends on the application on the N900
also.

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	PMaff	2011-01-12 , 09:18
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Originally Posted by danramos

The fact remains that the N900 has no evolutionary replacement available yet and it's very outdated.

?
First N900 is compared to a new hardware and now there is the
"sudden" knowledge that N900 came out long before that new
hardware?
;-)
Don't you think that this is a bit unfair?
;-)

Originally Posted by danramos

If you wanted to get something newer and better, your alternatives aren't Maemo or even MeeGo based. So, yeah.. the N900 looks like a toy compared to this bleeding-edge device, its specs and flexibility.

And now again the fact is forgotten, that N900 came out long before this "bleeding-edge device"?
N900 would only (!)look like a toy if the "bleeding-edge device" came out at the same time.

Originally Posted by danramos

To argue that the N900 is "good enough" or that it can do all the same things is religious zealous at its best and certainly doesn't ask Nokia to improve anything at its worst.

N900 is the older device, remember?
That as a fact it made all other devices at that time to toys.
Today it may not be on par with the new hardware, but to demand
that one is unrealistic.
SW is still on par with todays devices, if the application uses all the
possibilities (see our discussion about selection).
SW is even better than that newer Microsoft crap.

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	PMaff	2011-01-12 , 09:35
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Originally Posted by danramos

Yay. So can anybody else.

OH SHI'! It runs on an Android phone with NATIVE xorg.. WITHOUT VNC!!!
http://www.androidcentral.com/meego-...amsung-nexus-s

OH NOES! What can you boast about now???

That sounds as if Ubuntu runs on top of Android.
Afaics this is not the case.
Also I would not be sure about VNC:
http://admin.androidcentral.com/ubun...int-htc-evo-4g
shows a similar case:
"This doesn't run like Ubuntu does on your computer. In this case, Ubuntu runs as a sub-system on your smartphone, allowing you to switch from Android to Ubuntu and back again without any trouble. You start it from the command line in a terminal emulator and then use a VNC client to connect to the Ubuntu desktop."