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2011-05-15
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With all due respect, maemo.org is still a quite active site with a number of different types of services, numerous stakeholders with various interests and a big number of users (almost 50.000 only TMO), generating a mass especially of forum posts. This cannot work in a democratic way, or has anyone of us ever worked in a democratic company (especially of this size)?
We can make a lot of proposals, but whether they are realizable (in any technical, financial or whatever way) or not, is by far out of our mean user's scope. Most of them require a certain amount (more or less) of money and effort to realize, which most of us don't even think about spending ourselves.
Moreover, moderator is much more but just a nice title. Has one of us ever tried to stay tuned just with some threads like the http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...hlight=windows one (more than 3,5 thousand posts in 1,5 months)? It would require a team of professional full-time moderators just for one thread. I wouldn't expect too much from the moderators, while most of us wouldn't even spend some time to create a wiki page. And it is even not said, that they are the ones, responsible for technical system maintenance like this. Generally, even if practice often deviates, moderators' job is to stay somewhat "off topic" on a communicative meta level (even in topics like this).
But ejasmudar, if you feel, you have some spare time to spend on moderating TMO, feel free to use the Contact Us link at the bottom of the page. I think they may certainly appreciate some help.
We can make a lot of proposals, but whether they are realizable (in any technical, financial or whatever way) or not, is by far out of our mean user's scope. Most of them require a certain amount (more or less) of money and effort to realize, which most of us don't even think about spending ourselves.
Moreover, moderator is much more but just a nice title. Has one of us ever tried to stay tuned just with some threads like the http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...hlight=windows one (more than 3,5 thousand posts in 1,5 months)? It would require a team of professional full-time moderators just for one thread. I wouldn't expect too much from the moderators, while most of us wouldn't even spend some time to create a wiki page. And it is even not said, that they are the ones, responsible for technical system maintenance like this. Generally, even if practice often deviates, moderators' job is to stay somewhat "off topic" on a communicative meta level (even in topics like this).
But ejasmudar, if you feel, you have some spare time to spend on moderating TMO, feel free to use the Contact Us link at the bottom of the page. I think they may certainly appreciate some help.
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2011-05-15
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#33
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Originally Posted by Reflektorfalke
There are. However, moderators do not have access to anything that allows them to modify or configure vBulletin.
I wonder if there are still mods around!?
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2011-05-15
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Originally Posted by Reflektorfalke
I guess it would be rude for me to call it a Shamocracy; I think it's run fairly well, actually. But it usually pretends to be sort of democratic until you notice that huge changes are being made or resisted, and the populace clearly has no real role in what is happening.
Is it not? What is it then? A dictatorship? A monarchy? Communism?
If it is not, what are the council elections for?
We will not succeed at all as long as the situation is as it is at the moment...not "no democracy" but no leadership at all...
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2011-05-15
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That's the thing i was afraid in my first post - technical changes to forum are probably out-of-discussion.
But, that doesn't mean we can't improve anything using our ideas - at least by some "standards of events" (regular wiki editing, updating first post, etc...).
Look how "3000 mAh battery mod thread works - big letters in topic title to check 1st post, then it is really updated every time something important is discovered. No need to sticky posts. It is huge thread, and of course many times we need to direct someone into first post reading
but that's unavoidable, no matter what technique You use. Anyway, thread works like charm and is much less bloated than, for example, Kernel-power v47 one. With all due respect, "3000 mAh battery mod" thread is still bigger than kernel-one.
Also, If You thin that Your ideas should be considered by Maemo council (and i agree with that) - use "contact us" and, with short summarize, direct council members to this thread. Fortunately, it's only 4 pages long
But, that doesn't mean we can't improve anything using our ideas - at least by some "standards of events" (regular wiki editing, updating first post, etc...).
Look how "3000 mAh battery mod thread works - big letters in topic title to check 1st post, then it is really updated every time something important is discovered. No need to sticky posts. It is huge thread, and of course many times we need to direct someone into first post reading
but that's unavoidable, no matter what technique You use. Anyway, thread works like charm and is much less bloated than, for example, Kernel-power v47 one. With all due respect, "3000 mAh battery mod" thread is still bigger than kernel-one.Also, If You thin that Your ideas should be considered by Maemo council (and i agree with that) - use "contact us" and, with short summarize, direct council members to this thread. Fortunately, it's only 4 pages long
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2011-05-15
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#36
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Originally Posted by CowboyFromHell
The intention of this thread was not to require each and every thread being closely moderated, of course.
We can make a lot of proposals, but whether they are realizable (in any technical, financial or whatever way) or not, is by far out of our mean user's scope. Most of them require a certain amount (more or less) of money and effort to realize, which most of us don't even think about spending ourselves.
Moreover, moderator is much more but just a nice title. Has one of us ever tried to stay tuned just with some threads like the http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...hlight=windows one (more than 3,5 thousand posts in 1,5 months)? It would require a team of professional full-time moderators just for one thread. I wouldn't expect too much from the moderators, while most of us wouldn't even spend some time to create a wiki page. And it is even not said, that they are the ones, responsible for technical system maintenance like this. Generally, even if practice often deviates, moderators' job is to stay somewhat "off topic" on a communicative meta level (even in topics like this).
The proposed idea was an attempt to make TMO more pleasurable for everyone. Now, TMO has proven to be not very change friendly obviously even though users suggested improvements frequently.
My expectation of moderators would be that they listen to users and try to support them in finding ways to improve.
Of course there might be good reasons why a certain idea canīt be or wonīt be realized. But this reason should be communicated to the users unless you want to create even more frustration...
Originally Posted by sjgadsby
Thanks a lot for your reply sjgadsby.
There are. However, moderators do not have access to anything that allows them to modify or configure vBulletin.
Does that mean nothing will change and we have to accept the situation as is or is there actually "someone" with access to vBulletin modification?
Might it be possible that you moderate between us, the users, and those admins or is something like discussed here or totally unwanted?
Originally Posted by geneven
I think what you describe here is a parliamentary democracy
I guess it would be rude for me to call it a Shamocracy; I think it's run fairly well, actually. But it usually pretends to be sort of democratic until you notice that huge changes are being made or resisted, and the populace clearly has no real role in what is happening.
So, assuming any kind of change is indeed out of question "sigh" we can only hope that users will use available tools as good as possible.
Meaning that OP should either add a Post #1 hint in thread title and take the effort of updating this post.
Or OP should add a hint to a wiki in thread title while the wiki is maintained with community support - hopefully.
Ugly workarounds from my point of view, but all we can get with available features...
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2011-05-15
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Originally Posted by Reflektorfalke
Sure, the kind of parliamentary democracy they have in Russia, where the Duma makes lots of noise but the actual power is held by mysterious powers mostly invisible, though our version of Putin occasionally becomes visible. This is parliament while the King still has full power.
I think what you describe here is a parliamentary democracy
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2011-05-15
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Originally Posted by Reflektorfalke
Yes, the admin, Reggie.
...is there actually "someone" with access to vBulletin modification?
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2011-05-15
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Originally Posted by geneven
Well well, donīt you think your comparison is a bit too harsh and besides that your post not very helpful?
Sure, the kind of parliamentary democracy they have in Russia, where the Duma makes lots of noise but the actual power is held by mysterious powers mostly invisible, though our version of Putin occasionally becomes visible. This is parliament while the King still has full power.
And, who do you think is, from your point of view, this mysterious almighty "king"?
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2011-05-15
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Originally Posted by Reflektorfalke
In fact it's not harsh enough; as you may recall, the Parliament was able to control the King by refusing to fund him, whereas we have no similar power.
Well well, donīt you think your comparison is a bit too harsh and besides that your post not very helpful?
And, who do you think is, from your point of view, this mysterious almighty "king"?
Much of what goes on here is invisible to me, but I think the elusive King is Reggie, and the funding is provided by Nokia.
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