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2011-06-01 , 20:20
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Originally Posted by cBeam View Post
Maybe it is the best possible outcome for Nokia to be bought.

Or does anybody think they can get out of this death spiral, especially with [sarcasm on] talented management [sarcasm off] they have in place right now?
Maybe i'm just being silly but i think they certainly can. Will that need downsizing like SE, Motorola(that btw where losing money for long time) that certainly might happen. Next year will tell much more because they can certainly hold up this year money wise easily even with all the **** flying to the fan, really hard.


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You are of course right there. At this point doesn't really matter anymore and it's up to Nokia to make the difference, not Eldar.
 

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2011-06-01 , 20:32
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Remember when the best rumors were me teasing you guys about the N900?
Ah, those were the good old days, when Nokia rejected the idea of tablets, which it had been pioneering, and went for something more phone-ish. Nokia fooled us, all right -- we thought it had some sense!
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2011-06-01 , 20:33
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This happens, the EU will probably block it. They've sued Microsoft enough times to want to prevent something like this.
on what ground??
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Speaking of tinfoil hats... whatever became of the allegation that an eldar.murtazin@nokia.com email address had been confirmed?
You are a very vile person. My fingers are itching to send an e-mail.
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2011-06-01 , 20:43
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Originally Posted by Mentalist Traceur View Post
I think Eldar was saying something like this a month or two ago already...

Not sure if him repeating it is him being him, or if it actually means there's more information available suggesting that this is going to be something Microsoft wants to do.

*Shrug* Either way, what gerbick says makes perfect sense too - the EU would already be watchful of Microsoft monopolies in their territory from prior experiences, AND there's bound to be people in the EU who felt a sense of pride about their European giant Nokia (while Europe isn't exactly unified culturally, the people who do feel more European than [any European nationality here] are more likely to end up working in the EU, and either way they'd certainly feel more positively towards a European business than the American Microsoft that they've had unpleasant relations with before).
huh? I think even you don't believe that buying nokia is an act of monopolies on microsoft end. Monopoly on what exactly?
 
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Ah, those were the good old days, when Nokia rejected the idea of tablets, which it had been pioneering, and went for something more phone-ish. Nokia fooled us, all right -- we thought it had some sense!
I really thought the devices would be platformed and cover 2 or more form factors. All indications pointed that way...

EDIT: you know what killed that, right? it was lawsuits in the US by Verizon and AT&T against municipalities for implementing large-scale wifi. Both companies effectively killed ubiquitous wifi in the US, which was the pilot tablet market. No apparent market, no Nokia tablets. But Apple showed the idea was still viable.
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It's corporate talk that includes saying stuff like 1 month before N900 announcement Nokia executive saying that they have no plans at turning Maemo platform to phones...
Really? I recall Nokia employees were always extremely careful, from OSiM World 2008 until the N900's annoucement, not to deny the Fremantle lead device would have cellular voice capabilities. Instead, when anyone inquired about voice, Nokia employees would consistently point to the fact that they'd only announced cellular data capabilities and change the subject.
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Ah, those were the good old days, when Nokia rejected the idea of tablets, which it had been pioneering, and went for something more phone-ish. Nokia fooled us, all right -- we thought it had some sense!
I still prefer the form factor of n810. When n900 appeared I simply ignored it because of the screen size. I've always preferred dedicated table device + independent phone for data transfers.

With smart phones, if you travel a lot, use their processing capabilities extensively (movies, internet, music, etc), not very much remains for the simple voice calls. In the end you simply run out of battery. Let the phone stay the dumb device.
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Really? I recall Nokia employees were always extremely careful, from OSiM World 2008 until the N900's annoucement, not to deny the Fremantle lead device would have cellular voice capabilities. Instead, when anyone inquired about voice, Nokia employees would consistently point to the fact that they'd only announced cellular data capabilities and change the subject.
Well usually you don't get to known and talk to common grunts. My guess is that people whom you talked to, simply knew what was permissible to disclose. Uniformity of their responses suggests established policy on that subject.
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My guess is that people whom you talked to, simply knew what was permissible to disclose. Uniformity of their responses suggests established policy on that subject.
Right, from Ari Jaaksi and Peter Schneider on down, everyone avoided denying voice capabilities. That was exactly my point.
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