hmmm...i doubt that what you asking for help is for this reason....if you post this at the first place then maybe we can help you out but after plenty of response now you willing to give us the reason why you want to cut of the network???
i really dont believe you...you might give this reason just to save yourself...maybe you wanna the codes so you can show off to your friends how genius you are on hacking people network or you just wanna make the networks as your own private use...

Even if that is the reason, you wouldn't actually really help.

You know how f'ing frustrated we all get when we sit down for some good internet-connectivity requiring activity, and then the damn wifi doesn't work? Very. That is not the kind of mood most people decide "I'm gonna go do some homework now" in.

I CAN see a valid usecase in knocking people or a person off a network, depending on the situation, but that still doesn't resolve the other point - if you're serious about getting involved in the kind of shitty circumstances that could ethically justify knocking people off the wifi, then you should have the dedication to look up the info on the subject.

And you idiots thanked this fool for this?

Last I looked at the list of people who thanked the guy, it was all tech-savvy members of the community who knew exactly what the command did, being amused/in-agreement-with at how it was being presented.

/me sighs

Oh yes very amusing,
If that is the caliber of the tech savvy folk we have here then we have problems. Very irresponsible and misleading to new members and damaging to the forums reputation.
Mart

Did you run it?

Yeah, because skiddies asking for ways to hack people's WiFi, and getting command-by-command instructions, that won't impact the forums reputation similarly (just with a different demographic).

As for this forum - honestly, sociologically, this forum has a very specific 'flavor', and the same people who are misleading to newbs like this are very helpful to newbs who show themselves as trying to understand what they're doing. Now, I'm not necessarily saying that's completely right, but the main point of my post above wasn't to argue about its rightness - it was to point out that the people thanking that post weren't idiots, but quite the opposite.

As for the rightness of it, I do think it's excessive to trick people into wiping their system, but in this case, it's... let me put it this way: If you go to buy a gun without having ANY idea how a gun works or what to do with it, just because you like the idea of being able to shoot people, it's not exactly right to shoot you for trying to do so, but it's a lot less wrong than shooting a completely innocent person

"Yeah, because skiddies asking for ways to hack people's WiFi, and getting command-by-command instructions, that won't impact the forums reputation similarly (just with a different demographic)".

That does not excuse the behavior in question, if you think that giving arrogant and misleading information to members will counter balance any perceived damage to the forums reputation you are mistaken.

"As for the rightness of it, I do think it's excessive to trick people into wiping their system, but in this case, it's... let me put it this way: If you go to buy a gun without having ANY idea how a gun works or what to do with it, just because you like the idea of being able to shoot people, it's not exactly right to shoot you for trying to do so, but it's a lot less wrong than shooting a completely innocent person"
I am sorry you lost me in this part,
If we stick to the phone thing rather than guns. When i bought my N900 I was unsure of how to use it to its full capabilities so i turned to this forum, was that wrong of me or should i not have bought the N900 in the first place before learning everything about it? I don't think so.
This is not the only thread that where this kind of post exists it is a worrying trend.
"it was to point out that the people thanking that post weren't idiots, but quite the opposite."
Their behavior has demonstrated otherwise.

A detailed read of my statements indicates I in no way think that one form of reputation negative impact justifies another. In fact, simple logic dictates that two different forms of reputation ruining would simply be worse than any one of them combined. (Except for those rare people who are intelligent enough to realize that the forum as a collective of people can't be evaluated by the occasional extreme of behavior by one person or another.) My point was to point out that if you did the opposite - I.E. actually helped, it would also impact how some people would view this forum if they came across it. If reputation ruining is a relevant argument to do or not to do something in context, then quite a few things are bad. Including helping. And including replying off-topic. Or not replying at all. Really, you're narrowing yourself down to pretty much nothing if you're worried about reputation ruining in a blanket sense.

Of course, I presume you had a more specific target for reputation ruining, something more logical such as "ruins the reputation of the forum in the eyes of those people who are likely to frequent it"... which is true, yes, but if you're going to make that argument you have to be able to qualify what that demographic is, and why exactly the part of it whose opinion matters is the part that would see this forum as lesser for having that post in it.

At the end of the day reputation should never be an argument one way or the other (except for cases where reputation is a necessity as a means to something that actually matters).

Gun = N900
Shooting People = Knocking people off the wifi
Not knowing how a gun works or how shooting people works = not understand how knocking people off the wifi works
Doing it because it seems cool = doing it because it seems cool.

(It's obviously not a perfect analogy, but it matches in the points it was meant to match)
But alright, you didn't get the analogy, that's fair.

Please, you can see the difference and you know it. We're talking specifically about command-by-command instructions for kicking people off a network. Doing something that seriously inconveniences (or worse, in some hypothetical cases) people.

We're not talking about asking for any help in general. There's thousands of posts asking for help on this forum, where people actually get help. I don't like tech-savvy-person elitism either. Just a year ago I was a complete Linux and hacking newb, and I've gotten the occasional stupid/dismissive/anal response when asking for help. But there's also a difference between help and spoon feeding. AND, much more relevantly to THIS particular type of help, there's a matter of responsibility and maturity. Which is why I used the gun analogy - if you decide you want to pick up a firearm and want instructions on how to shoot someone, you damn well better be willing to sit down and learn all the nuances of firearm safety, etc., because if you're not, that tells something to the person you're asking for instructions for. In this case, wanting to know how to blast people off the wifi, but not having bothered to understand basic shell commands and the like, is a vague indicator of mental maturity and by extension, whether or not you should have that knowledge.

It's a bad indicator. I admit that. It glazes over countless nuances and plenty of exceptions to that rule, both good and bad ones. But on the internet, it's pretty much one of the only indicators you have to go on in quick casual forum conversation.

Yes. There's one other thread where something similar was done. And if you recall, I was one of the people who disagreed with it when it was done, because there, it was worse to do it then because the user was just a newb who didn't skim the thread or search to see if his query had been answered.

But that's two threads, and I wouldn't call that a trend (though if you know of more, feel free to let me know, I'm happy to be informed). 'course, it might develop into a trend, but if the rest of the members are doing their jobs they'll warn people when it's done.

On the contrary - their behavior has demonstrated nothing what-so-ever relevant to intelligence or idiocy. For their behavior to demonstrate idiocity, you have to logically show how acting in a way you find to be wrong/unethical/whatever is indicative of a lack of intelligence. And not just in a word-slinging insulting-them way of calling them idiots. I mean straight up demonstrate not only that your view on posting that command misleadingly is right, but also why it is so self-evident that anyone who disagrees must be deficient in intelligence.

- Edit -

Also, to be clear, I'm not even supporting the act of posting that command. In the grander scheme of things I consider it to be ethically negative. However, I am arguing it's not the horribly bad thing that Mart5.1 was saying it was.