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Originally Posted by 9000
Microsoft and Nokia are both international companies with offices all over the world. And as had been mentioned, Elop is Canadian, not that it would change anything.
Don't get me wrong I'm not picking on you, but aren't Elop an american and he's assuming duty as a CEO in a US listed company? How could Finnish and EU laws apply to him? Enlighten me please.
As I said, I really thought everything were sorted out by now, but by the looks of it, it hasn't. Maybe some US laws are kicking in as well, even Canadian. We have Finland, EU, USA, Canada, Nokia and Microsoft with all their regulations and laws, I am sure some lawyers are busy earning lots of money sorting this one out.
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2011-06-13
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Originally Posted by danramos
Mario successfully avoids Windoze Phone 7:
Balmer:
"YOU WANT MICROSOFT BOB!
BUY A ZUNE! THEY'RE BETTER THAN iPOD!
YOU NEED WINDOWS PHONE 7!
COME ON! IT'S MADE BY NOKIA!"
"No? Not working?"
"DAMMIT!"
[begins throwing chairs like Donkey Kong throws barrels]
"WHY WON'T THEY ROLL?? ARRRRGH!"
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2011-06-13
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Originally Posted by ericsson
I'm a bit surprised that the rest of the executives at Nokia even hired him on (or at least surprised they even let him talk about using Microsoft) given he still owns so much stock in what is/was a competitor.
Hmm, I see my pension fund got some largish interest in there as well, so keep on going MS
But:
http://www.businessinsider.com/nokia...s-nokia-2011-2
That is common knowledge. However, Finnish and EU law does not allow him to simply swap shares when he is/was so deep involved in both companies, there are legalities involved, and it take some time. (To be honest I thought it was done by now).
Originally Posted by ericsson
So, asking for proof/evidence as a way to solidly confirm or to plausibly deny something stated as a fact, whether I want to agree with it or not, is now zealot behavior? I laughed. Hard.
And you sir Dan Ramos the zealot, if you have lived in the Dark Ages, you would have felt right at home with your pessimistic religious doomsday view on everything you disagree slightly with.
Originally Posted by 9000
It's a plan which has already proven itself a failure thus far. This is like watching someone drive full-speed off a cliff and fall to their death, while still shouting at onlookers with the absolute confidence that the road doesn't end at the cliff. No amount of confidence will make that reality happen on a whim where no bridge was ever even so much as planned much less funded and built.
I think WP7 strategy failing is plan A.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
If you want to argue that WP7 is that bridge, it's clearly a bridge that very few trust--judging from the outcome of sales--but Elop is perfectly willing to take that massive Nokia big-rig across, even through the bridge is shaking and creaking something ugly and scary.
Originally Posted by Texrat
I told you! The more this guy opens his mouth, the more he confirms my feeling that he might in fact be clinically stupid.
Great. Here comes another stock drop...
Originally Posted by marxian
I'm genuinely surprised somebody didn't do this with chairs instead of WP7 phones.
Mario successfully avoids Windoze Phone 7:
Nice find, btw!
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Originally Posted by danramos
I didn't realize your last name was Gruberman.
Yeah yeah, "patience." How long will that take?
At least I hope you were referencing that skit...
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2011-06-13
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Elop has nothing to do with NOKIAs trainwreck. Even Symbian E series were not performing as well as Blackberrys in the US. I loved E71, but boy did the software give me trouble syncing to my work server. They have always had issue with a software bugs that required to power something better than a penny phone. When the real companies got involved because of money, NOKIA weaknesses were exposed.
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2011-06-13
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Originally Posted by woody14619
I'm glad somebody got the reference.
I didn't realize your last name was Gruberman.
At least I hope you were referencing that skit...
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2011-06-13
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber!
...and then they paired with Microsoft. It can ONLY GET WORSE with MS and Eflop, is the point people are making, I think.
Elop has nothing to do with NOKIAs trainwreck. Even Symbian E series were not performing as well as Blackberrys in the US. I loved E71, but boy did the software give me trouble syncing to my work server. They have always had issue with a software bugs that required to power something better than a penny phone. When the real companies got involved because of money, NOKIA weaknesses were exposed.
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2011-06-13
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Nokia's key issue was it could no longer effectively develop software in-house, be it Symbian or maemo/meego. the lead times were becoming far too long and the end product was not polished enough.
what Elop has done is to out-source the software development for future (smart)phones to Microsoft. Whether that was the correct outfit and platform to trust will be made clear in time.
It could be argued that this process started before Elop when Nokia canned maemo and got into bed with Intel and the linux foundation to move forward with meego. although nokia was contributing still, the strategic direction etc was no longer nokias key concern, and they could get on with building phones. Maemo was probably 80% complete of a modern smartphone OS, but at a board level Nokia probably realised that they could never complete that last 20%, and so pushed most development and governance to someone else.
Nokia's decision to pull back from the meego frontline could be therefore good for meego development as it will not have to the nokia corporate anchor holding it back, so development should hopefully speed up.
For nokia, putting meego on a phone should be no more of an issue or risk than chucking WP* on it. Both OSes are bought in from external sources and if meego is up to the job then great.
what Elop has done is to out-source the software development for future (smart)phones to Microsoft. Whether that was the correct outfit and platform to trust will be made clear in time.
It could be argued that this process started before Elop when Nokia canned maemo and got into bed with Intel and the linux foundation to move forward with meego. although nokia was contributing still, the strategic direction etc was no longer nokias key concern, and they could get on with building phones. Maemo was probably 80% complete of a modern smartphone OS, but at a board level Nokia probably realised that they could never complete that last 20%, and so pushed most development and governance to someone else.
Nokia's decision to pull back from the meego frontline could be therefore good for meego development as it will not have to the nokia corporate anchor holding it back, so development should hopefully speed up.
For nokia, putting meego on a phone should be no more of an issue or risk than chucking WP* on it. Both OSes are bought in from external sources and if meego is up to the job then great.
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2011-06-13
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Plan "B" is to make sure plan "A" works....
Gold.
We have a saying where I come from.
"Plan A goes out the window at H hour"
Elop killed off plan B by shelving the push to Meego and has given up the fallback plan by cutting symbian's throat and leaving it face down in a pool of blood.
Give him 10 points for commitment.
Last edited by onethreealpha; 2011-06-13 at 22:07.
Gold.
We have a saying where I come from.
"Plan A goes out the window at H hour"
Elop killed off plan B by shelving the push to Meego and has given up the fallback plan by cutting symbian's throat and leaving it face down in a pool of blood.
Give him 10 points for commitment.
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