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2011-07-19
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Originally Posted by danramos
I wouldn't hold my breath for that.
True, and you're right, but I think he makes a good point of topic for future conversations with Nokia. They've done it again--even after we gave them flack for it after the N8x0's, for all the closed-source and the WONTFIXES and the FIXED IN FREMANTLE and generally neglecting customers in the myriad ways that they did after building up good faith and reputation on claims of openness and community. The community council IS still talking to Nokia, right? They DO still have relevance, I would hope.
Companies just don't engage into raw (and public) dialogues with as vague an entity as 'the community'. That's why we elect council members to represent us.
If you desire 'answers', I think it's time to pay attention to our own council members and open up dialogue with them (or go to where they have their discussions; irc, mailing list, etc).
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2011-07-19
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Originally Posted by ysss
Actually it was MeeGo i was thinking of and as they require a minimum spec i think what Google did is the way to go.
You're aware that they already have MeeGo going and that this would be completely redundant to their ongoing efforts/investment toward MeeGo?
What's in it for them and what's the logic behind this?
There is not only Intel that will make a handset/tablet but many China production companies will give a good price on a protortype too.
Joint venture between Maemo and MeeGo maybe?.
Some brilliant dev's on this site and i think it really is the way to go.
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2011-07-19
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Originally Posted by danramos
The point i was trying to make is the Community as a whole is more than capable of software development, after all this is the best part of it's members on here, and to be snagged down by the hardware is crippling the work that could be done on here.
How can we best shoehorn Maemo onto these new devices? Will it be possible to write a bootstrap loader?
True, and you're right, but I think he makes a good point of topic for future conversations with Nokia. They've done it again--even after we gave them flack for it after the N8x0's, for all the closed-source and the WONTFIXES and the FIXED IN FREMANTLE and generally neglecting customers in the myriad ways that they did after building up good faith and reputation on claims of openness and community. The community council IS still talking to Nokia, right? They DO still have relevance, I would hope.
The Community can only do so much as we all know because at the end of the day if Nokia will not budge then they are stalemate.
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2011-07-19
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Pull me to pieces if you want but i tell you IF this Community was the software development behind Nokia then it would really come into play with all the worlds best public dev's we have got as members.
If Maemo.org wants to stand for something then stop the half measures trying to put other people's design problems right and do it for itself.
Probably the main reason that dev's have departed from here is down to frustration of closed components so you get a situation where the device is owned by the community and you will soon see they all come back.
Last edited by abill_uk; 2011-07-19 at 02:19.
If Maemo.org wants to stand for something then stop the half measures trying to put other people's design problems right and do it for itself.
Probably the main reason that dev's have departed from here is down to frustration of closed components so you get a situation where the device is owned by the community and you will soon see they all come back.
Last edited by abill_uk; 2011-07-19 at 02:19.
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2011-07-19
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
Well, that and the flame/troll/boredom.
Pull me to pieces if you want but i tell you IF this Community was the software development behind Nokia then it would really come into play with all the worlds best public dev's we have got as members.
If Maemo.org wants to stand for something then stop the half measures trying to put other people's design problems right and do it for itself.
Probably the main reason that dev's have departed from here is down to frustration of closed components so you get a situation where the device is owned by the community and you will soon see they all come back.
Seriously though, thank you for this reasonable and well-balanced post, with which I agree whole-heartedly. Are you sure you're feeling alright?
Will it happen? I doubt it (because as others have pointed out, it'd just be a gift for Chinese MeaToo/MeeToo imitation devices, which would probably be crap (prove me wrong) and would drag what remains of Nokia's good name even further through the mud, even while eating away at Nokia's remaining market share in the sector.
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2011-07-19
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Originally Posted by shallimus
I also get so dammm frustrated because of the way it goes on here so am not suprised i let off steam now and then.
Well, that and the flame/troll/boredom.
Seriously though, thank you for this reasonable and well-balanced post, with which I agree whole-heartedly. Are you sure you're feeling alright?
Will it happen? I doubt it (because as others have pointed out, it'd just be a gift for Chinese MeaToo/MeeToo imitation devices, which would probably be crap (prove me wrong) and would drag what remains of Nokia's good name even further through the mud, even while eating away at Nokia's remaining market share in the sector.
When you approach any company to make a prototype, the contract that is struck up makes it your device but your never going to stop the guys in China from ripping apart everything they see as a potential earner, that is how they are there, so accepted situation.
Point is the software will belong to this community and that is the important bit, as for the hardware, it is now much easier than many realises to get manufactured and they have the capabilities of the latest components available at any time so to make a futuristic device is not too difficult.
The hard part of all this is getting together the funds to pay for all this and that is where the Community can get it's heads together.
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2011-07-19
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Can the council sue Nokia ??
1. For deceiving us into a closed ecosystem, while lying about all support for openness.
2. No support to OS, despite pledged
1. For deceiving us into a closed ecosystem, while lying about all support for openness.
2. No support to OS, despite pledged
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2011-07-19
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Originally Posted by IcyMoustache
Short answer: Not.
Can the council sue Nokia ??
1. For deceiving us into a closed ecosystem, while lying about all support for openness.
2. No support to OS, despite pledged
by the way, it would be big waste of time and energy. Really, think about it as divorce.Just get along with your own life, and think about future without Nokia (of course this is metaphor, I mean community should close things with Nokia as soon as possible and appropriate, then focus on future).
Don't let our child (Maemo) suffer during divorce. Nokia isn't interesting @ taking care, so We're single father/mother now
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2011-07-19
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Originally Posted by Estel
I seem to recall myself ranting about that back when the N900 was JUST ABOUT to be released and crying out FOUL for closing the phone stack... then everybody kept jumping on me saying, "IT'LL BE OPEN-SOURCE! It'S OFONO!" or some such bull. What happened to that? I thought the phone stack WAS supposed to be all pure and white and delightfully open.
I'm no expert in those matters, so I may be wrong, but things like Phone app are near impossible to replace them with Open things, right?
Originally Posted by Estel
Didn't the forum start out as InternetTabletTalk? I seem to recall it being pretty good even with competitor talk. Why are you afraid of "drowning" in tablet talk? I'm not sure that this is progress, honestly.
I also agree with no-go for focusing on tablets all-together. We're Maemo (or whatever we want to call us, if Nokia won't like to give trademarks - which is most likely to happen IMO), and I don't see a point in drowning into grey mass of android/whatever forums/portals.
Originally Posted by ysss
Fair enough, you make a... waaaaitaminit... where are we? What's this thread again??
I wouldn't hold my breath for that.
Companies just don't engage into raw (and public) dialogues with as vague an entity as 'the community'. That's why we elect council members to represent us.
If you desire 'answers', I think it's time to pay attention to our own council members and open up dialogue with them (or go to where they have their discussions; irc, mailing list, etc).
Originally Posted by abill_uk
*patpat* I know, I know. Let it go, man. Let Maemo die so that MeeGo can live on. Just... let it go.
Actually it was MeeGo i was thinking of and as they require a minimum spec i think what Google did is the way to go.
There is not only Intel that will make a handset/tablet but many China production companies will give a good price on a protortype too.
Joint venture between Maemo and MeeGo maybe?.
Some brilliant dev's on this site and i think it really is the way to go.
Originally Posted by shallimus
A broken watch is correct twice every day--hell, sometimes even *I* get thanked for posts.
Seriously though, thank you for this reasonable and well-balanced post, with which I agree whole-heartedly. Are you sure you're feeling alright?
Hell if I know why sometimes.
Originally Posted by Estel
Sadly, amen to that.
Short answer: Not.
by the way, it would be big waste of time and energy. Really, think about it as divorce.Just get along with your own life, and think about future without Nokia (of course this is metaphor, I mean community should close things with Nokia as soon as possible and appropriate, then focus on future).
Don't let our child (Maemo) suffer during divorce. Nokia isn't interesting @ taking care, so We're single father/mother now
Nokia arseholes.
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