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2011-07-25
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Plan A should have been Symbian, but Nokia ****ed it up. Actually it was Symbian+MeeGo+Qt, in which Nokia ****ed it up even more. They had no plan B, and plan A imploded. Elop came in to be in charge of the new plan A (WP or Android), but this plan A is more of a life saving act than a plan. Obviously they had no plan B this time either. Still, life goes on, and Nokia can only continue doing what they always had done; produce phones.
Makes zero sense to not have a Plan B as they've pitched it thus far, especially for a company that hits multiple price points in multiple regions. WP7 doesn't hit all of those price points nor territories.
Of course you don't see the problem - therein lies the biggest problem. No solution for their cheaper phones once phased out. No solution for areas that don't have the Zune marketplace quite yet - necessary for WP7.
Surprisingly though, there's a N5 coming, Symbian based - remember when the N8 was to be the last N-series Symbian phone? - and other Symbian phones in the meantime. They can deliver those now.
This waiting game on the N9 and the Nokia WP7 phones means that Nokia loses more share per day. Once it gets low enough, they'll not be able to sell enough to dig themselves out of a hole, be it 3 years, 5 years or one blockbuster iteration of their WP7 phones (not likely).
I don't think much thought has been put into this plan. Nokia doesn't have time on their hands. Nor will they have all of the pieces to salvage their prior position in place in the next few years.
It will be interesting to watch what happens. So far, it's all speculation.
There should never be a Plan A, or Plan B. There just needs to be a damn good plan and that's missing from what we, mere mortals know.
IMO WP may fail, and there is no plan B to pick it up if they do. Meanwhile life hasn't stopped, and S40, Symbian and Harmattan has evolved. Android is still there, even though Nokia does not consider it a good choice. They may have no other choice than eventually go Android, but that time has not come, and probably never will.
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2011-07-25
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Originally Posted by ericsson
Everything this guy says is the truth. Nokia ***ed up years before Elop even dreamed of being Nokia's CEO. We can only wait and see now if Elop drives the nail in the coffin with WP7 decision or does some kind of necromancy on the Nokia smartphones' corpses.
Stop this nonsense, please. Nokias smartphones today are Symbian. Except from the N8 and the rather niche-ish E6, Nokia is not competitive against Android or iPhone. That is the truth, and it has nothing to do with Elop. Carrier support? All Nokia phones can be purchased with full carrier "support" (and without it) world wide - except the USA, and Elop had no saying in those decisions.
Nokia has deliberately crippled their smartphones. This is done based on some lunacy deep inside Nokia, complete lack of competence, and has nothing to do with Elop. EDoF alone has probably killed half of Nokias sales of smartphones, maybe more. Nokia has had all the time in the world to make a good line-up of Symbian phones, but they ****ed up, they completely and utterly ****ed it up.
On the positive side. Microsoft NEEDS to make WP7 be good, they have banked a lot on its eventual success. That is good for customers.
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2011-07-25
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Originally Posted by hotnikkelz
NOKIA dead wood around here doesnt see it this way. I think there is also some degree of nationalism that Europe doesnt have a high tech company anymore...etc, etc....Its easy to blame Elop for everything, including the price of milk in the grocery store.
Everything this guy says is the truth. Nokia ***ed up years before Elop even dreamed of being Nokia's CEO. We can only wait and see now if Elop drives the nail in the coffin with WP7 decision or does some kind of necromancy on the Nokia smartphones' corpses.
On the positive side. Microsoft NEEDS to make WP7 be good, they have banked a lot on its eventual success. That is good for customers.
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2011-07-25
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Originally Posted by ericsson
Been waiting on an admittance that it could fail. That's all I wanted.
IMO WP may fail, and there is no plan B to pick it up if they do.
And no Plan B; that's just not good whatsoever.
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2011-07-25
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Originally Posted by Daneel
If she is a witch, she will avoid water, but not the fire...
If she floats, she's a witch!
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2011-07-25
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2011-07-25
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Until now Elop only really screw one thing: communication.
Especially the leaked memo and the symbian death announcement (instead of insisting on continued support, followed by phasing out).
His strategy itself seems sensible to me, and may or may not work.
Especially the leaked memo and the symbian death announcement (instead of insisting on continued support, followed by phasing out).
His strategy itself seems sensible to me, and may or may not work.
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2011-07-25
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Originally Posted by Daneel
Burn her?
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Very intersting to read some of these comments flying about.
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