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2011-08-21 , 18:33
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#31
yes, the only problem I saw with web-os was the hardware it was used in (read phones), it was not fully made for the ones who love keyboard, or the ones who just want touch screen. It simply did not have any sex appeal device factor that would pull the current smartphone buyers in market.
 
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2011-08-21 , 19:25
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Originally Posted by patlak View Post
As for comparing Bada to WebOS, don't even try. Bada is just Touchwiz with Android stolen parts. WebOS is innovative and after Maemo 5 and now MeeGo is the best multitasking device, far from being a dinosaur.
Bada is TouchWiz, yes kind of, what the android stolen parts are, you have to explain. The core is Nucleus, an OS Samsung has used long before Android even was a thought, and the predecessors of TouchWiz /Bada has existed almost as long and was used on Samsung Windows Mobile phones and Symbian among others.

Harmattan is innovative, Swipe is innovative and using Qt is innovative, the way it is used, but it is still Linux. Bada is something completely new, better, more efficient, a multitasking smartphone OS developed based on a true RTOS for embedded devices, an OS that is used in more devices than the grand total of Linux based installations ever. That is the kind of OS ZTE and Huawei needs for most of their devices, and they already have most of it, they are using it in their dumb-phones. For the top brass, they already have Android and WP and even MeeGo if they want. I can't possibly see what use they have for WebOS, a one-off that already has died, twice.
 
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2011-08-21 , 21:07
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Originally Posted by patlak View Post
What WebOS needed, is better hardware. Competing with devices like iPhone, Galaxy S, Moto Droid, the Pre was struggling. Pre 3 was a nice advancement, but release was postponed for an eternity.
Weird. The Palm Pre had essentially the same specs as the N900.

To say that about the Palm Pre, you're indirectly saying that about the N900.

But let's be honest. That wasn't your intent, but it's evident that the Nokia N900 is facing these same issues. The faster spec'd N9, but very similar hardware will be soon facing the same dilemma at the pace things are going it seems.
 

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2011-08-21 , 21:37
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Originally Posted by tissot View Post
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/21/a...-inside-nokia/

Quite sad read to a Maemo and MeeGo fan. I wonder did MeeGo ever get full backing inside Nokia.
this is not only him saying this. I heard another ex employer from finland saying the same. the team behin n900 was very small.

so could be very well some of the reason Nokia is totally ****ed up today.

To play devils avocate My gues is when MrFlop came to Nokia the he called for "the best" engineers asking them how symbian and Meego was progressing. Problem is most of the most influenced old engineers are symbian fanboys...

They may very well made meego look worse than it was and how good symbian still was.

And when the realised symbian is not the future they going MrFlops way and he is giving them more money to be active developers for WP instead. For them there is no alternative. They couldnt just change mind now and go Meego.

Those engineers had pissed on Maemo and now Meego for years. and now they will be brainwatched Microsoft engineers or get fired instead.
 
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2011-08-21 , 21:49
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Weird. The Palm Pre had essentially the same specs as the N900.

To say that about the Palm Pre, you're indirectly saying that about the N900.

But let's be honest. That wasn't your intent, but it's evident that the Nokia N900 is facing these same issues. The faster spec'd N9, but very similar hardware will be soon facing the same dilemma at the pace things are going it seems.
Exactly, these both turned out to be more of a cult devices and comparatively general population knows more about palm pre then n900, in that case n900 is worst, but the design of n900 is more elegant (just not the thickness) than the palm pre had (in my view). But if these both OSes were sitting on the more sexier device that has a mass market appeal and with the same marketing that palm invested in pre could have been a different story I believe. Also they first came out with only Sprint, they should have targeted verizon in USA who has a larger consumer base, also verizon did not have droid then, with verizon ads along with palm's advertisement together it would have been where droids are.
 

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WebOS was born 4-5 years too late to save Palm, and failed, not once but twice now. I find it hard to believe that ZTE or Huawei should be willing to purchase/license WebOS, when MeeGo is available for tablets and so on. Besides, what they need on phones is something like Bada, a flexible platform with a super-efficient RTOS multitasking core, not a dinosaur like WebOS.
yes and Nokia will also fail with WP7 strategy even if you still sticking your head in the sand and dissagree.
 
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2011-08-21 , 21:51
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Problem is most of the most influenced old engineers are symbian fanboys...
I would not called them fanboys. Consider the fact that they have invested more than 10 years of their lives in Symbian.

Now, all of a sudden there is a bunch of kids pushing competing technology, which is btw endorsed by the top to keep internal competition within the company and keep everybody in line. Too bad it did not work.
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2011-08-21 , 22:15
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Originally Posted by somedude View Post
Exactly, these both turned out to be more of a cult devices and comparatively general population knows more about palm pre then n900, in that case n900 is worst, but the design of n900 is more elegant (just not the thickness) than the palm pre had (in my view). But if these both OSes were sitting on the more sexier device that has a mass market appeal and with the same marketing that palm invested in pre could have been a different story I believe. Also they first came out with only Sprint, they should have targeted verizon in USA who has a larger consumer base, also verizon did not have droid then, with verizon ads along with palm's advertisement together it would have been where droids are.
Palm started with Sprint, Nokia started with T-Mobile in the US. That's the number 3 and 4 carriers respectively.

Bad business decision, in my opinion - but that's based on hindsight which I have now, they didn't have it then.

Sexy devices don't always sell when they're not marketed well. The Palm Pre... remember those weird as hell commercials with the chick that just plain freaked you out? [ look here ]

The business decisions were questionable. Supporting their bread and butter Symbian though? That's one I can understand.
 
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2011-08-21 , 22:35
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Weird. The Palm Pre had essentially the same specs as the N900.

To say that about the Palm Pre, you're indirectly saying that about the N900.

But let's be honest. That wasn't your intent, but it's evident that the Nokia N900 is facing these same issues. The faster spec'd N9, but very similar hardware will be soon facing the same dilemma at the pace things are going it seems.
Hardware as in the whole phone, not the SoC (screen, keyboard, thickness, camera, etc). That is why I said Pre 3 is such an advancement. It just didn't feel like a flagship competing against the iPhone and Droid. Plus lack of marketing and availability in Europe.
 
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2011-08-21 , 22:52
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Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
Bada is TouchWiz, yes kind of, what the android stolen parts are, you have to explain. The core is Nucleus, an OS Samsung has used long before Android even was a thought, and the predecessors of TouchWiz /Bada has existed almost as long and was used on Samsung Windows Mobile phones and Symbian among others.

Harmattan is innovative, Swipe is innovative and using Qt is innovative, the way it is used, but it is still Linux. Bada is something completely new, better, more efficient, a multitasking smartphone OS developed based on a true RTOS for embedded devices, an OS that is used in more devices than the grand total of Linux based installations ever. That is the kind of OS ZTE and Huawei needs for most of their devices, and they already have most of it, they are using it in their dumb-phones. For the top brass, they already have Android and WP and even MeeGo if they want. I can't possibly see what use they have for WebOS, a one-off that already has died, twice.
You are definitely blind if you can't see any similarities between Bada and Android. Just think about it, they copied iPhone design and got their asses sued, and what's next? Copying a UI is something everybody can see, nobody gives a nut on what core it runs. Also, Touchwiz is a complete iOS ripoff, if they were using it for so long, why bother copying?
 
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