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2011-09-27
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Originally Posted by aironeous
Interesting observation.
Try opening 5 apps at once and get back to me on that.
Example: I have a LG G2x Dual core and if I open dolphin browser and 2 youtube apps forgetaboutit it is freeze and slow crawl.
Or even dolphin browser and stock browser and anything else
or any combo of any 4 or 5 apps it's just f'n lame slow crawl freeeze.
It's that lame arse.
Multi tasking score equals 4 or 5 on a scale from one to ten
You seldom hear that category of judgement on a phone review from a guy that has a nerdgasm hard on for 200k+ apps of android.
Android leaves apps open like a kid leaves candy smeared on its face.
Supercalifragilisticly lame. Seriously I don't know who thought up this method of "leave apps open all the time and bog down the CPU as much as possible" but it's f'n lame.
I'm ready for N9
Amongst the myriad toys that i have is a SGS2.
no problems running 10-12 apps, including videos, youtube, music and multiple web instances wihtout any slow down.
My understanding of Android is that it's much more efficient at managing load , "suspending" applications in the background to ram, thus freeing up CPU for current tasks.
now i'm not saying it's anywhere near as good as my N900 (have had 25+ applications running in "real" multitasking format no problems), but who really does that anyway?
Certainly Android is not the same as windows mobile or even symbian (anyone remember UIQ?) when it comes to managing running apps in the background.
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2011-09-27
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Originally Posted by qwazix
Actually this has very little to do with MS, and everything with power saving.
microsoft
They thought that back in 2001 with first pocket pc and for an unknown and beyond any human understanding they kept it until today, and for an even more unknown and beyond human and robot understanding the android guys copied it. I remember crawling endlessly in menus to hit that close all applications button every once in a while.
They even implemented a close button in the 2002 iteration that just minimized(!) the app to baffle users even more.
starting and stopping an application consumes CPU cycles, so the idea is that if you keep them open in an idle mode, no cpu is used, only memory, and you can still use the application.
Applications for mobile should not consume CPU cycles when not active, otherwise they are not correctly optimised.
If your phone slows down when you have too many applications open, either you have run out of memory or the background applications are not in an Idle state.
This was probably part of the reason Apple at first killed multitasking (except for its own applications), because this is very often not done correctly by the developer. It is the number 1 reason applications in the Ovi store are rejected: CPU use when the application is not active.
I do not believe google checks the applications for power management, this is up to the developer. Hence all the problems for Android users.
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2011-09-27
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Originally Posted by onethreealpha
o/ <------------
now i'm not saying it's anywhere near as good as my N900 (have had 25+ applications running in "real" multitasking format no problems), but who really does that anyway?
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2011-09-27
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Originally Posted by onethreealpha
You will invariably get a list of folks here that will say that they do that, but I think the real question is why would you and do you even utilize the N900 as a phone.
now i'm not saying it's anywhere near as good as my N900 (have had 25+ applications running in "real" multitasking format no problems), but who really does that anyway?
I've seen it slow down while trying to answer a phone call and all I had open was the browser, terminal and FBReader. But I actually need the phone not to lag.
And if the N9 has less apps than the N900, multi-tasking 25 apps might be more of a challenge than you'd think.
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2011-09-27
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Originally Posted by catbus
Seriously?
o/ <------------
5,6 or even 7 maybe, but 25+?
I'd argue that it would more becasue it can be done than any real productivity requirement......the more focus is spread across multiple tasks, the less efficient you become at any of the tasks
even in an intensive development environment, running more than a dozen applications (read: "actual applications, not tabs/windows), would be a rarity and in real terms, the domain of a device way beyond the physical hardware restriction of any handheld.
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2011-09-27
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Originally Posted by onethreealpha
I'm not talking about background apps don't count those. I'm not talking about widgets, stuff like swype, care home, dialer, my account, facebook stuff that is always on and never turns off.
Interesting observation.
Amongst the myriad toys that i have is a SGS2.
no problems running 10-12 apps, including videos, youtube, music and multiple web instances wihtout any slow down.
My understanding of Android is that it's much more efficient at managing load , "suspending" applications in the background to ram, thus freeing up CPU for current tasks.
now i'm not saying it's anywhere near as good as my N900 (have had 25+ applications running in "real" multitasking format no problems), but who really does that anyway?
Certainly Android is not the same as windows mobile or even symbian (anyone remember UIQ?) when it comes to managing running apps in the background.
Anyways I'm running gingerbread, you might be running Cyanogen Mod and/or have overclocked yours which I have done neither.
Don't want to turn this into a long android conversation I just don't see this thing performing well multi tasking and I notice it somewhat depends on the apps you are running like stock browser plays flash videos much better than dolphin browser.
For example go to bleachget.com and try to watch an episode on dolphin browser and then try it on stock browser. Stock browser plays it stutter free mostly dolphin does not.
Well I am always opening android system info and killing tasks.
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2011-09-27
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Originally Posted by gerbick
and herein is the problem. running "real" multitasking linux on a handset with mobile phone capabilities, where applications are still running in real time, using ram and CPU, will be problematic, simply due to the functional restrictions resulting from "mobile" hardware
You will invariably get a list of folks here that will say that they do that, but I think the real question is why would you and do you even utilize the N900 as a phone.
I've seen it slow down while trying to answer a phone call and all I had open was the browser, terminal and FBReader. But I actually need the phone not to lag.
And if the N9 has less apps than the N900, multi-tasking 25 apps might be more of a challenge than you'd think.
there's been plenty if times I've had trouble answering a call, due to lag as a result of having other applications open too.
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2011-09-27
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without being able to test it in person i think the n9 and the operating system handles multitasking a lot better then the n900 did. more ram is an obvious help. from all the play testing people have had with it and seeing them open apps and looking for lag it seem'd fine. they opened in a reasonable time and swiping to home screen was responsive. with the comments from people who've used the n9 about the reception(signal) i'm very happy about that. rural area's are a pain for getting good 3g signal at times, especially on road trips and i want to stream music. the size of it is good for holding and 1 handed use. looks amazing. battery so far is being reported as quite good even with med-hev usage. so all in all it's worth having for me.
one thing that i would like to know more about is uploading a file through the web browser eg like to facebook through browser. didn't work on n950.
one thing that i would like to know more about is uploading a file through the web browser eg like to facebook through browser. didn't work on n950.
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2011-09-27
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Originally Posted by aironeous
So am I, even though "they" say you don't need to
I am always opening android system info and killing tasks.
i just hope, given some of the issues the N900 has had, specifically, as mentioned by gerbick, between phone application being queued due to other running tasks, that any lag issues have been ironed out in harmattan.
by all accounts, the cpu and ram "upgrade" from the N900 will help to address it somewhat, if it does still exist, and as I said before, if people know they can run 20 applications at once, then there is an increased likelihood that they will, just becaue they can and not because a: they need to or b: there's actually any value in doing so.
(btw: stock gingerbread, not rooted on the sgs2)
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