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Tizen devices announced early 2012? I doubt that. If that was the answer. Can you please ask the same question again.
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2011-09-30
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Without knowing but pretty sure when looking at circumstances...
What graphical toolkits will be available?
EFL or better known as Enlightenment
What about Python support?
Yes, as it is supported by Enlightenment
The only strange thing i am wondering is that Enlightenment depends on X11 right now but am pretty sure they will use Wayland as we are talking about something that will come mid 2012 or as i think close to 2013. It will be interesting to find out. Same goes for boot loader and stuff..
What graphical toolkits will be available?
EFL or better known as Enlightenment
What about Python support?
Yes, as it is supported by Enlightenment
The only strange thing i am wondering is that Enlightenment depends on X11 right now but am pretty sure they will use Wayland as we are talking about something that will come mid 2012 or as i think close to 2013. It will be interesting to find out. Same goes for boot loader and stuff..
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2011-09-30
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Thanks for these very enlightening answers.
Your replies make a big difference to some of us,
and you certainly deserve recognition for your efforts:
An industrialist Plutocracy is a committee of sociopathic entities,
by definition. They default to implementing draconian measures
to keep hobbyist/developers away from tinkering with
their money-making machines, which is why:
is such a telling answer...
quoting an observation from
What is aegis [MSSF] and how does it affect Free Software development? :
If you (corpusculars) are selling a device that is locked into
applications only you (corpusculars) can approve of
and provide the enabling certifications for,
then I don't want to buy into your (corpusclar) garden..
And from a discussion on LWN:
The MeeGo security framework
And this is almost exactly what micro$oft just got outed on
over the direction of implementation for UEFI.
This is devolving to corporate warfare.
The victims will be, as usual, the consumers.
Caveat Emptor
Your replies make a big difference to some of us,
and you certainly deserve recognition for your efforts:
Originally Posted by zehjotkah
The best news we could hope for, but:
Awesome questions! Thanks a lot.
Here are the answers:
Can we expect open graphic/wireless drivers whenever/if the intel SoC comes out?
The entire stack will be open.
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What are the lessons learned from MeeGo and Nokia?
With the LiMo Foundation and WAC they have a number of industry players, not only just one partner.
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by definition. They default to implementing draconian measures
to keep hobbyist/developers away from tinkering with
their money-making machines, which is why:
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Also do they plan some Aegis equivalent (hope not!)?
The same one used already in MeeGo (not Aegis from Harmattan) SMACK based.
quoting an observation from
What is aegis [MSSF] and how does it affect Free Software development? :
Originally Posted by ajack
My sentiments exactly:
Thanks for this discussion, am skipping the N9 then... I saw how such a mechanism killed UIQ3 on Symbian...
If you (corpusculars) are selling a device that is locked into
applications only you (corpusculars) can approve of
and provide the enabling certifications for,
then I don't want to buy into your (corpusclar) garden..
And from a discussion on LWN:
The MeeGo security framework
...is the complete system lockdown that MSSF could enable. Device makers can use the facilities to require that only their signed kernels run on the devices, and that only approved applications get installed. .... Device makers may well have chosen to do that regardless of whether MSSF supported it, but its presence there certainly makes it easier to create freedom-hostile devices. One hopes that at least some device makers choose otherwise.
over the direction of implementation for UEFI.
This is devolving to corporate warfare.
The victims will be, as usual, the consumers.
Caveat Emptor
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2011-09-30
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Will it be possible to have Ubuntu or debian on such device or a fully working LibreOffice?
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2011-09-30
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Thanks zehjotkah, those answers really do look positive!
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2011-09-30
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Originally Posted by erendorn
Almost too good to be true...
These are very promising promises!
If they are kept, I'll be happy to be part of it.
I'm getting a feeling of deja-vu, jk
But srsly....
I will murder kittens if these promises aren't held to
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2011-09-30
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris
Why do you doubt that, did you not follow the coverage at IDF recently?
Tizen devices announced early 2012? I doubt that.
If that was the answer. Can you please ask the same question again.
Anandtech in particular did some truly excellent write-ups...
Announced early 2012, available mid 2012, (wouldn't be surprised if it extended to Q4) isn't impossible.
Last edited by jalyst; 2011-09-30 at 07:13.
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2011-09-30
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don't mix aegis and smack. totally different things. afaik we've smack already in the current MeeGo (not Harmattan!) version.
announcement: to be more specific: at mobile world congress in barcelona.
edit: the SDK and first images will be available already in November.
Last edited by zehjotkah; 2011-09-30 at 08:22.
announcement: to be more specific: at mobile world congress in barcelona.
edit: the SDK and first images will be available already in November.
Last edited by zehjotkah; 2011-09-30 at 08:22.
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2011-09-30
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Originally Posted by jalyst
No i missed that. That would be truly amazing! I don't have the total scope for the work. But even so I'm skeptical about having the device in my hands before 2013. Just look at the meego project...
Why do you doubt that, did you not follow the coverage at IDF recently?
Anandtech in particular did some truly excellent write-ups...
Announced early 2012, available mid 2012, (wouldn't be surprised if it extended to Q4) isn't impossible.
Let's hope I'm wrong!
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2011-09-30
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@zehjotkah
Will the telmap api's comply with tizen for use in app development or will they at least be made available to devs who choose to branch tizen core?
Will the telmap api's comply with tizen for use in app development or will they at least be made available to devs who choose to branch tizen core?
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