Originally Posted by qwazix

3.5G is another way of saying HSDPA so the symbol is equivalent. As for the actual speed it depends on the actual implementation and if the company reports values with overhead or without.(the N95 also was 3.5G but it supported only 3.6 mbps and IIRC the N97 went up to 7.2)
I don't know why overhead is so much but it is on wifi too. The real throughput of 892.11g is just over 25mbps, and you can test it by moving a large file over wifi
I cannot now find where was that article that explained all this but I remember that the HSDPA class of the N900 was listed as 21.1/10.2 so it may very well be as fast as your SGS2. Nokia has always been quicker than the competition adopting new 3G speeds.

Originally Posted by jalyst

I'd love to know for sure whether it's actually better than the SGSII in this area.
SGSII having HSPA+ does (at least superficially) seem like a performance advantage.

Originally Posted by toki

yeh it was an australian ad!

i didnt get to see the whole ad.... turned the tv on, and just assumed it was some random ad then i noticed a quick screen shot of a video with the 'play' button and thought to myself (that looked like the n9 video player)... so kept watching... and then *swipe* *swipe* *swipe* AHHHH ITS THE FRIGGIN N9!!!!!

its completely different to all the other ads that we have seen of the n9



annnnd... i got an email from harvey norman saying they are expecting it october 7
annnd.. i went to a telechoice (?.. i think that was the store) and their brochure said october 6 (but they only getting 16gb)

sooo... im expecting to get my hands on it this week!!!

Originally Posted by rentze

A Swiss retailer estimates that the phone will be available by the end of the week and, as far as I can see, provides world-wide shipping (at least you can select the country in the initial step). The price is currently 659 CHF (about 540 EUR, black 64 GB) + shipping.

I haven't tried to complete all the steps though (next-next-next-finish).

https://www.highdefinition.ch/produc...rz/458359.html

Originally Posted by hotnikkelz

What Elop is trying to do is stop that little marketing thing they call 'cannibalism' which is bound to happen in those big markets. It would've ended up being Nokia n9 vs Nokia WP7....now he can't possibly have that cuz distribution of n9 is so limited. He needs to save face with the WP7 strategy he chose. This is one way of forcing it on consumers. Using the Nokia brand power but with ONE choice of platform.

Originally Posted by buchanmilne

Cannibalisation of WP7 sales by N9 is better than losing those sales to a competitor.

Cannibilisation should only be a problem for a monopoly / volume sales leader.

Maybe Nokia hasn't figured out that they aren't a monopoly / volume sales leader any more.

The only other explanation is that Elop is putting WP7 success ahead of Nokia's success.

Originally Posted by toki

yeh it was an australian ad!
<SNIP>
its completely different to all the other ads that we have seen of the n9

Originally Posted by jalyst

So you've been following this thread very regularly & seen all the other ads I'm talking about?
I think there's been about two that we know for sure, have been shown on TV in other countries.
Sweet, I love the fact that it's a totally different ad, shows even more that they're pretty serious!