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2011-10-28 , 17:35
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while we're at it: does anyone know if the color depth of the n9 is below average? (compared to the n900 or the c7)

the reason why i'm asking is that what should be soft gradients is diplayed as areas of different brightness. it's the effect i get on blue sky pictures in image editors when i reduce colors too much.

you can see the effect in the background of the gPodder UI. (at least i see it there.) what's probably meant to be a nice, soft touch of lighter grey at the top of the background turns out as a few distinct layers of grey on top of each other. it gets even worse in the minimized gpodder preview.

another drawback of the display technology i payed €700,- for?
 

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2011-10-28 , 17:39
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Originally Posted by blackbox View Post
Hey Benny, are you sure that others are not experiencing this or perhaps not everyone has the strong eyes to notice these issues like we do?
i'll be able to check this next week with a device that's supposed to be ok.

but the guy who owns it watched my video, saw he stripes there and said he couldn't reproduce it on his n9.
 

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Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
i'll be able to check this next week with a device that's supposed to be ok.

but the guy who owns it watched my video, saw he stripes there and said he couldn't reproduce it on his n9.
Great! I will definitely follow your analysis as it is more difficult for me in the US to find anybody else who is carrying this device. Thanks!
 
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2011-10-28 , 23:28
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@benny

Thanks for taking this comparative analysis on for all of us, tis appreciated.

I'm just wondering....
If you hadn't had to pay the exorbitant $ you did, because it wasn't officially rolled-out in the UK.
Would you have been so picky about the display & other aspects?

I mean is the display actually worse overall than the N8, or previous Nokia ph's you've owned?
Every piece of anecdotal/comparative info I've read suggests it shouldn't be, just curious.
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Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
i'll be able to check this next week with a device that's supposed to be ok.

but the guy who owns it watched my video, saw he stripes there and said he couldn't reproduce it on his n9.
Benny, thank you for letting us know your comparative findings soon.

It is very difficult to get objective information about this.

Banding on white surfaces, colour casts, ghosting, very visible raster, slow refresh (after burning), over-contrasting.

Summarized, the screen quality of my copy imo is terrible.

My friend with iPhone 3Gs doesn't find it that bad.

He bragged "my eyesight is good enough to read that small text"

My eyesight is also good enough to read that small text and -being spoiled- see that the N9 produces a blurry mess where the N900 renders it crisp and clear at virtually equal zoom levels.

Anyone with an N900 that experiences the same?

Compared to all other phones I have access to, my N9 is the loser by far.

It does however have very strong brightness and contrast. The kiddies' game phone features are there, but I purchased this device to use as a web tablet / phone not to play NFS.

I feel like the world has been reversed on me: now I observe myself whining about the Amoled screen like some people were whining "resistive, Nokia, Seriously? in 2009"?

Please somebody have mercy, "loose" your dust catching N950 on me.
That one is said to have a normal TFT screen.

Meanwhile I am also curious to hear if somebody with deeper knowledge about this OS could point out if we have easy access to the colour management profile, to see if any improvement can be made in software?
 

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Originally Posted by ste-phan View Post
Anyone with an N900 that experiences the same?
I do, I'll be able to see whether it's as horrific as you describe within 4wks hopefully.
I'm waiting till PR1.1 or white N9, whichever is first...
Oddly enough there's been many N9 owners, who are also owners of other top-end make/models.
Whom haven't found it as bad as you so consistently do, in every aspect, funny that.
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Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
If you hadn't had to pay the exorbitant $ you did, because it wasn't officially rolled-out in the UK.
Would you have been so picky about the display & other aspects?

I mean is the display actually worse overall than the N8, or previous Nokia ph's you've owned?
Every piece of anecdotal/comparative info I've read suggests it shouldn't be, just curious.
It's a lot worse than any other phone I had so far. There are minimal distortions on a C7, for example, but you'd have to concentrate very hard in order to spot them... and you never notice them when you concentrate on what you actually do with your phone.

On the N9, the problems are so evident that they distract you from reading the text. It just feels broken.

Would it be some €200,- phone, I'd have returned it the first day and got myself another model. But the N9 is special for its operating system and that's why I bought it in the first place. I just cannot believe that they would invest so much effort in the devices overall style and then say that a broken display is just normal and it's OK that it cannot display black on white.
 

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The color depth issue I posted earlier:

Here's an image taken from a news site and a second, edited version that resembles the image as shown on the N9. Again, I checked on a C7; there, the image looks just like it does on the desktop (above).
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Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
It's a lot worse than any other phone I had so far. There are minimal distortions on a C7, for example, but you'd have to concentrate very hard in order to spot them... and you never notice them when you concentrate on what you actually do with your phone.

On the N9, the problems are so evident that they distract you from reading the text. It just feels broken.

Would it be some €200,- phone, I'd have returned it the first day and got myself another model. But the N9 is special for its operating system and that's why I bought it in the first place. I just cannot believe that they would invest so much effort in the devices overall style and then say that a broken display is just normal and it's OK that it cannot display black on white.
I agree totally, I've owned quite a few phones and the display on this is among the worst ever. Certainly the worst of any touchscreen smartphone I've owned, especially when compared to how much it costs and how new the model is.

Not that there aren't good things to say about it for example at a high brightness level the blacks are very deep and the colors are great.

If I'd bought a 200 euro phone I would be pretty fine with this but for a 700 euro device this kind of performance is unacceptable.
 
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2011-10-29 , 14:44
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Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
The color depth issue I posted earlier:

Here's an image taken from a news site and a second, edited version that resembles the image as shown on the N9. Again, I checked on a C7; there, the image looks just like it does on the desktop (above).
I can see some very subtle differences... And my eyesight is fine...
That certainly wouldn't annoy me, are you a graphic designer/artist or something?
I can see how some of the other things you've described could be annoying though.
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