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#102
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Originally Posted by Copernicus
Fortunately, they'e not. Not to mention the fact, that it is *why* we have CSSU at all - don't expect such effort from Nokia - I would be very careful with installing any major update from them (like I was with PR1.3.1, probably I was "last" one who installed it
The CSSU folks, for all their brilliance, are not Nokia.
), considering steps Nokia is taking to suck Maemo developers/users into their N950/N9/'w$nphone to be' kindergarten. Add to this common practice by many big tech corporations (injecting things inside closed source part of updates that reduce performance, to their "end of support" devices), and You *should* be very careful when updating anything from Nokia.On the other hand, I trust CSSU/KP devs fully, because they earned it - due to hard, non-profit work and awesome level of expertise (both providing fixes and features,that Nokian's stated to be impossible on our Device - see USB hostmode for example - or not feasible to write, where portrait mode is main example).
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I'm not commenting on other things, because freemangordon, Mike Fila and woody (sorry, can't cat Your after-nick numbers from memory
) did this already too well./Estel
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2012-01-15
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#103
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I've just installed CSSU for the first time...
Well done to all involved-it's a significant improvement!
Only thing is I would like the power on off button to move to the top of the phone in portrait mode!!
Well done to all involved-it's a significant improvement!
Only thing is I would like the power on off button to move to the top of the phone in portrait mode!!
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2012-01-15
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#104
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Originally Posted by freemangordon
Sorry if it seemed I was putting words in your mouth, not intended. My problem with CSSU is one of the first included bugfixes (libvte 'bugfix' which seems sloppy as it is a remap, though considering no bug report in 8 months, maybe too few people used xterm long enough to mention it in time, wasn't as thoroughly tested as portrait that's for sure), if you want to defend MAG's decision (I know he has 'saviour-like-status' here, but accepting everything he did without discussion seems cult-like) once you learn of its consequences, feel free. I find it unlucky, not thought through at the time.
szopin, I still fail to see what is your exact problem with CSSU (leaving aside the fact that we stupid CSSU devs have not asked you how to organise updates). And please don't put words in my mouth next time ok?
BTW it will be very interesting when there is a community kernel(there will be) and .debs in question depend on it (as features, not just a simple .deb control file dependencies). How and where you will get support if something is not working?
Thumb2 sounds very tasty and I will probably install cssu when it gives 20% more rootspace and revert the libvte as too many packages at this point were compiled/maemo-fixed for the enter behaviour I have, to ask all the maintainers now to fork. Don't get my intentions wrong pls. I am more than happy that such great devs keep this thing alive, yet some(all) decisions should be discussable, if any question about them is equal to: 'stupid devs didn't ask you how to do that', that indicates something being wrong elsewhere (like your attack on the guy who wrote lock portrait/landscape mode - how dare you fork hildon desktop; yes, we all hate forks)
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2012-01-15
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#105
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Originally Posted by szopin
So fix it! Stop pointing at what is wrong and calling others work sloppy. If you can do a better job you are welcome to fix whatever bugs you want.
My problem with CSSU is one of the first included bugfixes (libvte 'bugfix' which seems sloppy as it is a remap,
if you want to defend MAG's decision
ask all the maintainers now to fork. ...yes, we all hate forks)
Part of the CSSU project is an attempt to make it as easy as possible for harmattan apps to run on fremantle with little modification.
The more I read from you, the more I wonder if you are just a troll looking to start sh*t
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2012-01-15
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#106
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Originally Posted by Mike Fila
Yeah, I just found a way to fix it, reverting libvte. Doesn't rely on newer anything so should cause no problems whatsoever. Since CSSU isn't providing any new xterm apps (or new upstream versions, but I base it on limited changelog/bugfixlog, so who knows) this should be foolproof and keep me backwards compatible.
So fix it! Stop pointing at what is wrong and calling others work sloppy. If you can do a better job you are welcome to fix whatever bugs you want.
Originally Posted by Mike Fila
Really? Maybe whole human population should make a decision based on unreliable testing results and this would make it better how?Really you have no f'n idea what you are talking about there is an entire council that made decisions on how to package and what went into cssu.
Originally Posted by Mike Fila
Yeah, all here were angry on 1.3 making things break, yet one of first decisions was exactly the same. I should blame Nokia for it too I guess. lol. But repeat your statement of me not knowing what I talk about, it will make it true.
Again you have not a clue of what you are talking about. The fork was created when Nokia decided to stop supporting fremantle and created harmattan. Siphoning off devs by giving them free N950s running a new version of maemo.
Part of the CSSU project is an attempt to make it as easy as possible for harmattan apps to run on fremantle with little modification.
The more I read from you, the more I wonder if you are just a troll looking to start sh*t
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2012-01-15
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#107
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Me personally don't use CSSU because:
- I care about vertical view, I use n900 mostly as a phone, but I heard not all applications support it, so for me it's still only partial support. It means for some apps I'll have issues properly displaying which knowing myself, could be a nuissance
- I don't care about camera improvements.
- I read somewhere in this forum, that switching from SSU to CSSU different set of patches will also be needed (so it's like abandoning stability of nokia release and truly venturing out into something new, with hard way of getting back).
- It does not fix few issues I care: ie: http proxy support in media player or http proxy in build in im-protocols (gtalk, gg)
- I'm affraid it can break something to a point of unusable device, and instead of using my phone I'll spend days searching how and fixing it.
Summarizing: I'm able to install few applications and be part of the testing for few projects. But I still would like to use my N900 as dependable device (my only phone). In last few months I instaled few apps which were broke/needed some additional effort (columbus, opera, sleepanalyzer, mobile hotspot...) I also installed new kernel and then noticed I irreco does no longer work with no solution. This tought me little more thinking before clicking install for everything new from testing repo.Usually upgrades of applications are not worth upgrade because added value is low and risk of breaking something might be high. And I believe CSSU is "big" thing (I see it as major patch to SSU), so big risk.
Above is point of view of N900 user who does not spend all his free time in this forum, just taking a peek once a week briefly.
- I care about vertical view, I use n900 mostly as a phone, but I heard not all applications support it, so for me it's still only partial support. It means for some apps I'll have issues properly displaying which knowing myself, could be a nuissance
- I don't care about camera improvements.
- I read somewhere in this forum, that switching from SSU to CSSU different set of patches will also be needed (so it's like abandoning stability of nokia release and truly venturing out into something new, with hard way of getting back).
- It does not fix few issues I care: ie: http proxy support in media player or http proxy in build in im-protocols (gtalk, gg)
- I'm affraid it can break something to a point of unusable device, and instead of using my phone I'll spend days searching how and fixing it.
Summarizing: I'm able to install few applications and be part of the testing for few projects. But I still would like to use my N900 as dependable device (my only phone). In last few months I instaled few apps which were broke/needed some additional effort (columbus, opera, sleepanalyzer, mobile hotspot...) I also installed new kernel and then noticed I irreco does no longer work with no solution. This tought me little more thinking before clicking install for everything new from testing repo.Usually upgrades of applications are not worth upgrade because added value is low and risk of breaking something might be high. And I believe CSSU is "big" thing (I see it as major patch to SSU), so big risk.
Above is point of view of N900 user who does not spend all his free time in this forum, just taking a peek once a week briefly.
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2012-01-15
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#108
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Originally Posted by kudlatygosc
It's amusing to see how people *think* Nokians left device stable. Less-involved people just don't realize, how many instability/leaks/errors Nokians left - CSSU is actually addressing most of them.
But I still would like to use my N900 as dependable device (my only phone).
Totally no offense - I also don't use other device as phone. i understand your motivation, and I'm not laughing at it. I'm just pointing out, that it's based on wrong assumption - PR1.3(1) isn't bug free nor "stable", when compared to CSSU. Installing CSSU is actually making device *more* stable.
Of course, I'm also not trying to convince anyone into installing anything, if she/he doesn't feel it fancy.
/Estel
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2012-01-15
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#109
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Originally Posted by Estel
Sorry, but it isn't a matter of thinking it is stable. People know when devices break/lock/restart. Don't blame Nokia marketing for most of users of 1.3 having stable devices. Claims that most have reboots/leaks are just statistics with most vocal parties on this forum counted as usual users. Kernel power makes 1.3(.1) THE stablest version so far, Nokians didn't make me think that
It's amusing to see how people *think* Nokians left device stable. Less-involved people just don't realize, how many instability/leaks/errors Nokians left - CSSU is actually addressing most of them.
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2012-01-15
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#110
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Estel,
It looks like less-involved people are happy people because ignorance is a bliss. Personally, if I don't know about the issues which does not touch me, I do not feel like have to fix them by any upgrade. Even though I don't use CSSU yet, I look into bright future and I appreciate all deeply-involved people's work and their time to move ahead with fixes and improvements.
But now I got curious how much actually CSSU fix. I got into this summary of stable release: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable but I see it's mostly "cosmetic" changes about transitions, portrait mode, z-axis rotation. Is there a list of SSU bugs fixed? (can't find it in stable documentation) Maybe some of the things which I get used to (like sloppy transitions or very high power usage of 3g connection) were actually issues.
(I know, I know... but I'm optimist)
It looks like less-involved people are happy people because ignorance is a bliss. Personally, if I don't know about the issues which does not touch me, I do not feel like have to fix them by any upgrade. Even though I don't use CSSU yet, I look into bright future and I appreciate all deeply-involved people's work and their time to move ahead with fixes and improvements.
But now I got curious how much actually CSSU fix. I got into this summary of stable release: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable but I see it's mostly "cosmetic" changes about transitions, portrait mode, z-axis rotation. Is there a list of SSU bugs fixed? (can't find it in stable documentation) Maybe some of the things which I get used to (like sloppy transitions or very high power usage of 3g connection) were actually issues.
(I know, I know... but I'm optimist)
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There are two new options (tree view and offline imap?), but I can't see them well because I didn't install the localization (I only replace that one single binary..)
Activating the "treeview" made the new modest crash, until I removed the option from gconf. Now it's OK. I will test it for a few days, and if OK, then I will update the whole package.
Any pointer about the offline IMAP and how it is supposed to work?
Cheers.