Sigh, I hate to have to join the bandwagon here, but yes, nokia is busily stepping all over itself.

So much is screwed up with all this that I start to wonder if nokia wants it to fail.

I went with this thing based on positive experiences with other nokia products I have had, granted that none of them were as complex and open, but...

People see mine and ask about it and I am forced to tell them that ***YES*** it is an incredibly cool little device and VERY new so you need to be geeky to deal with it and plan to spend some time sorting out issues. That turns off the non-geeky crowd really quickly.

One of the first questions I get asked is if there is a decent PIM on it as the often hate the ones on their cells. There is just no good answer I can give them, sadly. Garnet IS an option but not a really great one.

Until wifi hotspots become a LOT more plentiful than they are (at least here) my n800 stays at home and on the desk to play with while the palm (ugh) gets to go for a ride. Yes, I can kluge my way around it, but it is kluging my way around it :-/.

Hopefully nokia will wake up before they completely isolate their user base.

I really hope this will happen as I am in love with this thing and would really hate to see it become something to hold my desk drawer down, got too many of things like that now :-).

Interesting to note that that user base seems to be doing so very much more than nokia in both interest and content, GREAT job folks!

Keeping toes crossed and watching carefully.

I don't know if its me or what, but the finger keyboard does not work ok. With or without backup it doesn't pop-up very often. And when it does, aplications like MicroB doesn't recognize what I type.

Incredible in a final release of an operative system.

WV9K makes some great points. I feel much the same way. Amigokin also. This is a final release of an OS. An Os of any sort......please!

Bell and whistles are fine and add to 'mass appeal' which is what draws in the 'end user' interest and the potential for large scale mass purchasing, BUT, stability and core operability must be present...or else.

Now I am somewhat torn. I put my wife on Beta Os2008 and she is content with her Majong, Facebook and a few other music choices etc. Mostly basic amusement.
I on the other hand went back to OS2007 which I think is a far superior GUI in appearance sophistication. But alas, it suffers with problems with repositories(on topic!), and installs that one must find the homepage for or ya gotta have Python or one of three dozen unknown LIBS that just happen to be missing and hard to find. So now I am stuck in the middle, a bit unhappy with both.

This is not just newb slant, it is just bad software and web work(to keep it simple). And to think this is the very nature of this 'product'. Internet Tablet software.
I am considered the gadget guy, but as WV9K was alluding to, even I am tired of this runaround method requiring detective work and backflips..... just to access the software!
It is amateurish and as some of the more knowledgeable programmer community members here have outright said....wholly unnecessary.

As Oprah once said "If you know better, Do better"



My advice: If it is about money to inspire superior efforts at the developer level, then take a note from the ol Palm community. Some of their best offerings to everyone have come from the freeware efforts. Even today I have seen some truly devoted personal efforts in regards to themes for Zlauncher that are absolutely FREE= no charge. Then the are the goofs who are charging for junk or charging far too much money for mediocre software that fits in under 800k.

Somewhere in the middle we might find the best fit. I would happily pay someone $10-$20 for a "true shareware' of theirs. Palm platform philosophy was good in that sense they never lost the original freeware ethic and kept most of the better software VERY AFFORDABLE at often $10-$15.

I am not about the money anymore or the profit, but this is just a muse of mine here as we consider what the big problem is with repositories and really bad access for a formal OS launch. What was it? More than a week of total paralysis?!!?

As WV9K said, I too love this little N800, and the potential is huge.
Quit chasing the next piece of hardware. Its like they are 'addicted to the new'.
The N800 rocks!! Enough that it can run Apache and some techy user was even monitoring 150 servers and doing other really advanced remote work while mobile.
Work the platform as is! Its still fresh young and hardly out of the gate.
That's why Palm lasted so long. I knew guys who were still using old units many many years after their useful time.(like Palm3's).
Don't forsake the 770's, they were your charter members, your earliest adopters. Squeeze every last drop out of that system. That's why my Palm Treo650 is still alive and not in the garbage bin yet (ion bows to the Zlauncher team at ZZtechs).

Do the basics like downloadability very well and leave the icandy gadgety tricks for Apple. Remember Apple's story?! Good product ran well, but most of the years they simply couldn't supply it. IIsi's-Newtons-Quadras.They couldn't handle the demand and supply issues and in many respects that is what held them back from total PC takeover. Just like Harley Davidson, they couldn't deliver to meet the demand.

So in other words the demand and sales potential is already there, just get it together and learn from the others' mistakes.

Ok,

I've removed the "i" in resistory, didn't work, so then I put it back and unselected the the two Maemo repositories and put in the two temp repositories.

While it does let me download the latest app list without issue, I still get download failures when trying to install anything.

Am I missing something?

3 applications I am really after:
Maemomap, meamopad+ and gmail alert, should these work with the latest firmware? Any advice how to install?

Thanks all a bunch!

Only difference I can see is that I disabled 3 repositries.

maemo, maemo extras and maemo extras devel.

Also, I put the temp repositries using the install link on one of the prev. pages (less likely to have a typo ?)

Zuber

Well, I tried the suggesion, even the installer.

Still getting: Downloading 115k, downloading failed...

Do I have a corrupted directory or something?

Does everyone here realize how superbly this whole thread points out why the NIT is never going to be more than a niche device for hackers to play with. I grew to love my N800 for the first 6 months, but I would never recommend it to anyone as a ready-to-use consumer device. Now almost a year later, the fun has worn off, it's become a pain, I don't know whether to give up on OS2008, or the whole thing. I switched back once to 2007, then back to 2008, and what I gather from this thread is that going back to 07 now is just as broken as 08? The killer for Nokia is that the 810 appears to have been picked up by more retailers and online sellers than the 800 ever was. How many will be returned by unhappy / unwary customers?

By the standard of that comment the Personal Computer isn't ready for the average consumer. Like my 810 it is generally usable but occasionally friends call me up as the local "Geek" to help out with installation, browser, or some other random glitch that the average user might be confused by.

i am a newbie for the 810 though I have more than a passing familiarity of Linux and WinOS and I think the 810 is a terrific platform. I am most happy with the very lively hacker, enthusiast and end-user community. It's the product that just have a company support that dies first, a good user community is the sign of a long-lived device!

As for my installation problems I am sure someone in here will provide the answer that will get me up and running again.

You make a good point. The product company support that dies first.

And I am seeing in these forums here an expression of activity level that to me seems dynamic. It is in contrast to many others out there and it stands out to me as filled with some inspired intelligent people contributing,. I have benefited numerous times from immediate replies and great general info sharing.

So, Parent company must have recognition of their circumstance. Keep Going, just improve their focus on end product's roll out and evolution.
That wave is the first impression. Valuable, and forward moving.

Actually that reality is very well recognized within Nokia's walls. I won't defend the overall strategy discussed here, because I'm not 100% in alignment, but don't confuse apparent lack of recognition with true lack of recognition. Nokia just has this often annoying tendency to be much MUCH slower with new product (and especially paradigm) development than many people are willing to accept. Sometimes that manifests as an apparent cluelessness, but trust me-- the guys involved are very sharp at what they do. That just doesn't always translate well for many.

EDIT: and guys, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but you'll really need to be patient another week or so for a lot of the madness to be sorted out. A LOT of people are on holiday (self included).