Alright, why don't we focus on chatting with the council candidates about their plans and priorities for the next six months?

Also what about making sure the users following only the most active forums are aware this election is going on, connect their accounts to get voting rights or run for election etc?

My priority will be to have any discussion the Council wants to have here in this Community forum, unless there is a big reason to keep it private. Also be responsive on any thread open by anybody in the Community forum, whenever it makes sense.

PS: about Nokia and Nemein, we really are not supposed to tell them what to do. Think of Nokia as a sponsor or a donor. If there are irregularities in their service then I believe transparency will help more than any private discussion with Nokia or even a 'strong mandate' approach.

What about council candidates answering a set of questions in their user wiki pages, all linked from an elections page? Didn't we have this in the past?

Said the kettle to the pot...

Sorry, but there was somewhat of a war here. Least you forget, you (and I) both played our parts in it. There was a push from several people in the Harmattan/MeeGo camp to "drop that dead OS" and "move to the future". I still have a calendar reminder ticking on that bet btw... And a sneaking suspicion that "most N900 users", even TMO active ones, will have not shifted by June.

There was an element of separatism in N950/N9 that didn't exist (at least not at the same level) in other transitions, as I've already noted. Yes, there were some that had issues and swore to never buy another Nokia product again (gerbick can confirm that ), but there were an equal number that wanted the new shiny. In the end, there was still room for them to all live together and make peace after the boom of the new cycle. That didn't happen with N9. That's a core difference.

Again, I'm not saying it's not happening. I'd personally like to see the family back together. And I think that can happen, now that the steam roller has effectively squashed everyone involved, and we're all in "dead end" OSes. But that needs to be desired on both sides, or it won't work.

We have a month for the election. Can we talk about Community OBS? I ask this because Mer and a few other folks have already started discussing it, and I think maemo might suffer if it takes a month to decide what (if anything) it wants related to Community OBS. Also, I think you are familiar with what has been happening surrounding appsformeego.

I've sent the info to the maemo developer ML. We can discuss there or on the forum.

Sorry, but this is about MAEMO. And about maemo community. I take the meego renaming very indicative for a complete break of product philosophy at Nokia and reorientation towards something that doesn't meet my personal day-to-day needs. N9 isn't a NIT, it's definitely a smartphone. And I'm rather concerned about Nokia obviously and seriously thinking a service period of even less than 2 years would be appropriate for a device that had an initial price tag of 600EUR, no spare parts or repair available, and no valid successor that could allow protecting my investment, both regarding hw/sw as well as all the time I spent into this project. This is a clear difference and break from what e.g. the "transition" N810->N900 brought us. I happily moved from N810 to N900 for my day-to-day primary gadget. I can't see that happen for N900->???, for a dozen of reasons.
That's the reason (are the reasons even) why I feel a bit itchy whenever somebody comes suggesting maemo community should move on. I'm doing all the contrary (actually desperately searching for further new spare N900 to stash them away for the time my current one breaks) and I conceive it as a bit of direct attack when Nokia acts like they don't care what's happening to fremantle. Actually I'm finally bitter about Nokia since the day the news spread that Nokia can't repair/replace N900 on warranty anymore, something other companies got sued for in class action cases at court. Other details are supl.nokia.com silently bitrotting, rendering N900 GPS (in default setup) useless, etc pp. A long list, that I feel is going to get perpetuated in this thread when notions like "meego is it now" show up.
What all that got to do with council elections? Well I hope that council is aware of and tackling these issues, when Nokia representatives deny them. That council defines their domain as MAEMO domain, not meego/symbian/$WHATEVER transition for whole community. My 2 cents, now back to CSSU and IRC.

/j

We're openly discussing about problems with Nemein/X-Fade for a 7 months already. How is it "magically" going to help, if people paying the bills don't want to "discipline" them a little? Maybe it's time to ask them, if they're going to do what they're "sponsored" to do, and if they're not, maybe it's time to sponsor someone else?
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Plans and priorities.

Well, my 1st priority and plan is to fix issues with infrastructure maintainership. I would like to hear Nokia position here - if cooperation between people maintaining infrastructure and Council is going to be so unsatisfying, is Nokia going to accept community will of changing infr. tech staff? IMO, problem of "hands tied" (Nokia paying bills, yet not demanding real work in return, Council not paying bills, so tech staff having Council in... *deep* respect, lets say) is first hot potato to settle now.

2nd priority - determining, if cooperation with Nokia (overall, including tech staff payed by Nokia - no matter what fancy "sponsorship" mechanism is going on here) is making Community benefit or lose, in long term. This is going to be open question, answered again and again, as time passes and situations change. Variant a mean positive cooperation with Nokia, variant b mean non-satisfying results.

3.a
Keeping to make infrastructure better and better for developers, overcoming existing problems with infrastructure maintainers help (sounds kinda fairytale'ish...).

3.ab (existing in both cases)
Clarification of confusing statement from Nokia about community governance. SD69 was asking this via e-letters, quoting previous statements, and statements made my marias during last meeting with Council (180 degrees opposite). Haven't got any answer.

3.b - Getting info about current resources used by Maemo ifnrastructure. Sounds trivial, yet, when SD69 asked it, marias wasn't able to give more precise answers than "I have no idea".

4.b
Steady preparing infrastructure migration, solving issues of creating legal entity (foundation), dropping trademarks, etc. At the same time, negotiating with Nokia about lifetime of closed source binary repositories (PR's, and so goes on), and possibility to allow us redistributing it (still in closed way), when Nokia decide to shut down Fremantle repos.
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I think I doesn't need to add, that variant "a" fit's my liking much more.

/Estel

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Thanks for You 2cents, joerg_rw, doesn't need to add that I 100% agree. BTW, good point with supl.nokia.com - will add it to list of investigated issues. It's quite ridiculous, that N900 users must set supl.google.com instead...

SD69 got a point here. As passing Council membership is smooth process, I'm perfectly sure that - having in mind nomination period extended by a month - current Council is fully entitled to make practical moves regarding OBS.

You are right. There is no point in adjourning any work or discussions because of an election.

maemo-development... I unsubscribed from that one and I'm really getting a lot more email than needed. I can subscribe, ignore by.default but go and take part whenever someone raises a point in a Community thread. If that sounds reasonable.

Apart from magic, there will be a renewed contract with Nemein where thay actually get more control on the hosting infra themselves, and different people at the Council and Nokia sides.

I'm optimistic.

It sounds reasonable. And maemo-development has been low volume recently.

1st point - so Nokia is funding the community OBS now located at appsformeego I believe. And there are various vague comments about moving what is located at appsformeego. If technically achievable, is there any possibility that Nokia would instead fund a community OBS somewhere else that has harmattan, fremantle and diablo targets?

Log of previous meeting about Community OBS is here:

http://mer.bfst.de/meetings/mer-meet...16.00.log.html

I hope so. Are there any plans to talk with Council (current or new, it doesn't matter) about control over infrastructure, that Council would like to have directly (thus, being able to solve problems without unnecessary delays)?

/Estel