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#162
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Originally Posted by geneven
Geneven,
I am not planning on accepting the nomination, so you can relax.
just to clarify my Thanks...
i don't know you well enough (and don't have time to go thru all your posts to make myself a better idea, alas
) so i feel you may be as good a candidate as many other posters here...thanks for taking the time to post clarification about your position.
ppl being nominated (and posting very regularly on TMO) but not bothering to clarify maybe should be stricken from the list?
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Originally Posted by misterc
No, you are wrong. CSSU Stable is, as its name says, stable and only contains packages previously tested at CSSU Testing and is actively maintained.
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Qwazix,
just my 2 cents, and, i think, perfectly on topic (i.e. something to chew on for the tbe council...)
maybe you (the ppl developing & managing CSSU?) should rethink thebehind CSSU?
- naming
- strategy
drop the stable, it's obviously a joke but very misleading for someone who comes around, doesn't care to even create an account @ Maemo.org feels that if the CSSU testing is so often in the top ten active topics here, the stable version is the safer choice
am i right in assuming the stable hasn't been looked at in a long time and is kind'a the PR1.1?
whereas testing is PR1.2 or even PR1.3?
drop the stable / testing part of the name & include a warning like in the PK (might eat up your brain, chew up your device et cetera et cetera et cetera)
next step may be to make a basic version which solely include fixes (to PR1.3.1) and put the rest in a "plus" version.
(drop the eat & chew up part from basic, maybe?)
at which point it might be easier to offer CSSU basic to NOKIA as PR1.4, but, hey, that's just an idea on the side line...
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#164
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Originally Posted by misterc
I'd certainly agree that if they can't communicate about their ownppl being nominated (and posting very regularly on TMO) but
not bothering to clarify maybe should be stricken from the list?
position, the chances of them being an effective council member are slim.
But, there is no mechanism to strike them from the list; nor should
there be. Who gets to decide if someone's clarified their position well
enough? What if all a candidate does is espouse FUD which has been
regularly knocked back?
The point of an election is to have the electorate decide who to represent
them. If a candidate doesn't realise that the everyone eligible to vote
will be emailed a ballot (including a link to the above wiki page) and
relies on their name on a subset of the community (and the wild hallways of
TMO aren't the extent of the community), they should be rejected by
the electorate with a simple cry of "who?"
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#166
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Originally Posted by misterc
Says a person not running. Reading and replying to a few quick items in TMO can take 10 or 15 minutes. Sitting down and thinking about what your goals and objectives will be in the context of speaking for a larger community isn't a quick 10 minute off-the-cuff thing.
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ppl being nominated (and posting very regularly on TMO) but not bothering to clarify maybe should be stricken from the list?
As already stated, those who don't fill in their proposals and answer questions will wind up with little to no votes, as most people will go to look at the wiki (or mailing list, or TMO) and see nothing on the topic. It's a self-weeding system.
If a person really isn't interested in running, they can simply turn down the nomination or withdraw. Basic inaction is the simplest way not to run, since it takes and active step (accepting on the mailing list) to qualify.
The wiki is great (thanks for those who set it up and are maintaining it, including you). But the old adage of a horse and water could easily be applied to a nominee and wiki.
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#167
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Sorry to hijack an election thread like this but I have to clear a few things regarding -stable and -tesing in the cssu project.
Also -stable and -testing are both on top of PR1.3.1 with the difference being that -stable only contains packages that were already in -testing and have been considered perfectly stable for day to day use. Which I think is more than reasonable if you look at ke-recv in -testing for example.
Regarding your idea to create yet another flavour of cssu that only contains (security) fixes, we (the cssu dev team) want to improve the maemo5 platform via the cssu, we don't want to stop at fixing broken things.
Though as always with FOSS anybody is free to fork our work and create a fixes only flavour. I'm pretty sure said person would get support over in #maemo-ssu aswell.
Also we're always looking for help, anybody who feels like helping out in any way is more than welcome to show up in #maemo-ssu on freenode.
Last edited by merlin1991; 2012-04-11 at 02:20. Reason: spelling :$
Originally Posted by misterc
May I point you towards this wiki page?drop the stable, it's obviously a joke but very misleading for someone who comes around, doesn't care to even create an account @ Maemo.org feels that if the CSSU testing is so often in the top ten active topics here, the stable version is the safer choice
am i right in assuming the stable hasn't been looked at in a long time and is kind'a the PR1.1?
whereas testing is PR1.2 or even PR1.3?
Also -stable and -testing are both on top of PR1.3.1 with the difference being that -stable only contains packages that were already in -testing and have been considered perfectly stable for day to day use. Which I think is more than reasonable if you look at ke-recv in -testing for example.
Regarding your idea to create yet another flavour of cssu that only contains (security) fixes, we (the cssu dev team) want to improve the maemo5 platform via the cssu, we don't want to stop at fixing broken things.
Though as always with FOSS anybody is free to fork our work and create a fixes only flavour. I'm pretty sure said person would get support over in #maemo-ssu aswell.
Also we're always looking for help, anybody who feels like helping out in any way is more than welcome to show up in #maemo-ssu on freenode.
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Originally Posted by misterc
Yes... you've missed the last almost 5 years it seems. Regardless of that, you're entitled to your opinion. And I do believe that my name will not be taken serious by anybody here in that regard - far brighter and involved folks than myself here still active or around this scene to be even considered for anything higher than court jester.
EDIT: pardon my surprise, but who on earth proposed Gerbick? :-o
i mean, no disrespect to the person, i like his posts & all, but my understanding was that he feels (my phrasing)
«NOKIA deceived me, they can go rot in hell... i go with the winners (ANDRoid, m$, whatever...)»
did i miss something?
So simply stated, I wouldn't accept a nomination because I feel more qualified folks are out there and I'd prove to be a disturbance more so than a positive in those kinds of affairs.
And no... Nokia hasn't deceived me. They've disappointed me by letting Maemo dwindle to a point of where it's no longer funded like it could/should and a string of decisions that ultimately defy Maemo-fan based logic.
And I do test everything - part of my job/work actually. But I don't go with winners - bought two N9's. I be a sucker for gadgets first, I guess.
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#169
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Here's how I read these meetings with Nokia...
Yes... you've missed the last almost 5 years it seems. Regardless of that, you're entitled to your opinion. And I do believe that my name will not be taken serious by anybody here in that regard - far brighter and involved folks than myself here still active or around this scene to be even considered for anything higher than court jester.
So simply stated, I wouldn't accept a nomination because I feel more qualified folks are out there and I'd prove to be a disturbance more so than a positive in those kinds of affairs.
And no... Nokia hasn't deceived me. They've disappointed me by letting Maemo dwindle to a point of where it's no longer funded like it could/should and a string of decisions that ultimately defy Maemo-fan based logic.
And I do test everything - part of my job/work actually. But I don't go with winners - bought two N9's. I be a sucker for gadgets first, I guess.
Maemo Council: We would kindly request closed-source drivers and operating system applications and components to be open-sourced, as requested through your process.
Nokia: All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for 50 of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now. …
Maemo Council: What? Alpha Centauri? We want more openness! Clearly.
Nokia: What do you mean you've never been to Alpha Centauri? Oh, for heaven's sake, maemo council, it's only four light years away, you know. I'm sorry, but if you can't be bothered to take an interest in local affairs, that's your own lookout. Energize the demolition beam. I don't know, apathetic bloody planet, I've no sympathy at all.
Maemo Council: What are you talking about? Anyway... We've been asking for YEARS to simply open the source code enough to allow us to fully own and future-proof our own devices without crippling hacks or at least give us hardware documentation, please!
Nokia: Shut up! You're irrelevant now.
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Originally Posted by danramos
Then read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...35#post1187735
Here's how I read these meetings with Nokia...
Maemo Council: We would kindly request closed-source drivers and operating system applications and components to be open-sourced, as requested through your process.
- Nokia won't publish more Fremantle source code. I don't think it will publish more Harmattan source code either. Now you have teams working in open development directly in upstream projects and teams working in closed development inside Nokia teams - minimizing the effect of "throwing code over the wall" as much as possible.
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Qwazix,
just my 2 cents, and, i think, perfectly on topic (i.e. something to chew on for the tbe council...)
maybe you (the ppl developing & managing CSSU?) should rethink the
- naming
- strategy
behind CSSU?drop the stable, it's obviously a joke but very misleading for someone who comes around, doesn't care to even create an account @ Maemo.org feels that if the CSSU testing is so often in the top ten active topics here, the stable version is the safer choice
am i right in assuming the stable hasn't been looked at in a long time and is kind'a the PR1.1?
whereas testing is PR1.2 or even PR1.3?
drop the stable / testing part of the name & include a warning like in the PK (might eat up your brain, chew up your device et cetera et cetera et cetera)
next step may be to make a basic version which solely include fixes (to PR1.3.1) and put the rest in a "plus" version.
(drop the eat & chew up part from basic, maybe?)
at which point it might be easier to offer CSSU basic to NOKIA as PR1.4, but, hey, that's just an idea on the side line...
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