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2012-04-22 , 10:14
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#271
Originally Posted by specc View Post
The N800 is cluncketiclunk regarding the UI.


Originally Posted by specc View Post
The N9 is actually nice (except the lagging and poor to no customization possibilities). As a tablet Swipe would work much better than the N800. That is not the problem. The problem is the N9 is not competitive against the Androids or iPhones. It is not even competitive against Symbian Belle. Belle is good, relatively speaking, and the N8 (a two year old phone) is outselling the N9, and so does the E6. You can say that people don't want WP (Lumia), but there is one thing they don't want more, and that's the N9.

Windows CE has never been a complete OS out of the box. It has been a set of libraries and source for anyone to build a OS to their likings. As such it has been extremely popular for all sorts of devices, GPS in particular. There still is very few if any "better" alternative out there for screen-centric devices. Android would probably? work, except it would suck the batteries dry within minutes.

WP is built on a solid core, that's for sure, and it can be seen from the smoothness of the UI. If (correction - when) the prices of Lumia 800/900 come down, I will probably get one. Right now I see no value there for me.
Those were a LOT of words for something that made very little sense in this conversation. As I pointed out, if they had evolved from the N800 and concentrated on the Maemo operating system, they could have evolved this much farther along than even the N9 right now--BY NOW.

Man--you deserve a second one for just how bad you failed to debate a clear thread of conversation:

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2012-04-22 , 10:15
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#272
Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Not at all. That's the problem... people are unhappy with the decisions so far from Elop.
seriously is people so unhappy as we in this forum? Yes I know americans dont like nokia. But they never has anyway.

but my point is why o earth is this man still CEO if most people is unhappy. Are stockholders totally blind? I am sure this man will be reselected

btw. specc about no one want n9: get this into your brain because this has been said before: the reason only geeks buy n9 is because elop killed it before realease. I am sure it could have sold out wp if it had got a chance!! Actually the device has improved alot since release even with low resources behind it.
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2012-04-22 , 12:34
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#273
I guess he is still CEO because the rest of the company is not US style (yet). In that case he would have been out by June or July. Like Leo Apotheker with HP - making dumb announcements got him out pretty fast. Nokia still thinks, that a transition needs time and probably loss, believing Elop is right. So they stick to him for some time longer.
 
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2012-04-22 , 12:47
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#274
Originally Posted by zwer View Post
Just a track record on my impact on Nokia sales for the past 3 years (and they used to get more recommendations from me prior to that):

I bought:

- Two N900s,
- One white N9
- One black 16GB N9 (as a gift)
- One E7 (as a gift)

All of them within months of their release while their ASP was quite high, if not the highest in the recent Nokia history. Further, because of my suggestions to friends & family and direct influence, Nokia got the following sales:

- One C7
- Two E7s
- Two N8s
- One N9
- Four N900s

Granted, Samsung also sold three SGS2s and Apple sold two iPhone 4, one iPad 2 and one iPad 3 due to my suggestions, but Nokia did overwhelmingly better. They lost a couple of Lumia sales along the line, tho, but I really cannot recommend WP7 to anyone (I have an Omnia 7 and I did spend a great deal of time trying to like the WP7 with no success) - people that I would deem the suitable demographics for the WP7 are way better off with the iPhone. Way better off!

Yes, I'm just one person and in the grand scheme of things those sales are truly insignificant, but how many 'tech heads' out there you think there are whom get asked on a regular basis what to buy by their less techy friends & family? And that is not to include my voluntary advocating over the interwebs that might or might influence sales as well. You really think that people like us don't matter for the total sales in the end?
Good point, word of mouth marketing does go a long way. Though Nokia's competitors might have worked on that (since over a year those Elop threads do not want to die and by complaining about Nokia's CEO decisions, hope not as vocally as is going on here, womm for Nokia sort of loses credibility)
 
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2012-04-22 , 12:49
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#275
Originally Posted by szopin View Post
It's hilarious as everyone here assumes once they got the news that everybody got the news. Sorry to break it to you, but you are the freak Nokia doesn't give a **** about. Yes you knowledgable person consider yourself a freak. You have close to zero impact on Nokia sales. If not zero in fact. Good luck with that and such reasoning
LMAO!
Seriously?
Nokia abandons all current products, lays off thousands and announces they will use MS exclusively and you don't think that was news anyone but techies heard about? I own one business in the US and two in China and my employees on both continents sure heard about it. It made all the Chinese & US news outlets...ostrich much?
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2012-04-22 , 12:52
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#276
Originally Posted by specc View Post
Please tell the rest of the board that Nokia has to wake up, focus and deliver.
I thought they already did that. I have a Lumia 800 in my hand as a result. It's a very nice device. And although it doesn't have a front facing camera, it looks and feels better than an iPod and an iPhone, and it's nothing like an n800. Did Nokia do something wrong? If so, is there anything else you would like me to tell the board? But I warn you, they have a habit of not listening to me.
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2012-04-22 , 12:54
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Originally Posted by daperl View Post
This is usually the point in the conversation where someone asks:

"Are you on drugs?"
He is spot on
 
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2012-04-22 , 13:15
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#278
2011 Q1: + 439 million Euros - Announces end of Symbian and Meego WP deal
2011 Q2: - 487 million Euros - only 2nd loss-making quarter in 19 years
2011 Q3: - 151 million Euros (thanks for the cash Microsoft)
2011 Q4: - 755 Million Euros

954 Million Euro loss on 2011

2012 Q1: - 1.3 BILLION loss

Yep. Things are starting to turn. Pretty soon even Sony will be jealous.
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2012-04-22 , 13:55
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Originally Posted by szopin View Post
Yes and no. They bet on not spending resources on R&D in soft (what is Nokia still known for? Awesome snake or rather sturdy handsets?) and using MS for that. Outsourcing coding division as much as hurtful for maemo does make sense in corporate view.
Outsourcing it as much as I disagree could under some circumstances be a good idea short term. But outsourcing it to microsoft is pure suicide because as we all know every mobile OS they have maid is an utter failure
 
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2012-04-22 , 14:22
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Originally Posted by Mize View Post
2011 Q1: + 439 million Euros - Announces end of Symbian and Meego WP deal
2011 Q2: - 487 million Euros - only 2nd loss-making quarter in 19 years
2011 Q3: - 151 million Euros (thanks for the cash Microsoft)
2011 Q4: - 755 Million Euros

954 Million Euro loss on 2011

2012 Q1: - 1.3 BILLION loss

Yep. Things are starting to turn. Pretty soon even Sony will be jealous.
q1 loss 1.3 billion? No problem, elop soon abandons s40 and meltemi to and fire the team behind it
 
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