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	www.rzr.online.fr	2012-06-24 , 16:34
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dont think wikipedia is the place to migrate our wiki

why not contacting elinux pple , there are some data linked at

http://elinux.org/Maemo

http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page

both are using mediawiki . so it could be merged isnt it ?

btw how big is the wiki ?

for OBS let me suggest to open an other thread , because that one is not easy to setup ...

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	Estel	2012-06-24 , 16:45
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I'm wondering, how "transferable" forum content (database) is between crappy vBulletin and something Open Source'd, like phpBB.

sure, it isn't most important think - OBS is much more - but it would be great to retain TMO functionality, run on better and cheaper platform.

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lma	2012-06-24 , 18:40
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Re: wiki - hosting mediawiki on any hardware capable of handling repositories, OBS etc isn't a big issue, let's just get a dump of the current one (plus custom maemo.org styling etc) and import it.

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SD69	2012-06-24 , 19:59
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Originally Posted by Bernard

But do those alternatives offer the same functions as garage.maemo.org?

On the Garage you can also find a lot of websites with information.
like:
http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/
http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/

And what about non-maemo related projects on garage?
i don't know many, but for example:
https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pys60/

It would be nice to keep the current state of Garage accessible, just as a reference.

Also the maemo 5 SDK requires files from:
http://scratchbox.org/
That is also a Nokia sponsored project.

We're going to lose some functionality. It's a matter of prioritizing what is important and keeping it.

Website content can easily be moved.

Garage is not going to be accessible indefinitely - that's the point of figuring out what to keep.

We are relying upon OBS with scratchbox2.

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	www.rzr.online.fr	2012-06-24 , 20:50
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definitively, keeping OBS would be a great and by the way adding fremantle support would be awesome , about tizen infrastructure i mentionned earlier i fear the project will not support deb packages , so it will share less than i thought ...

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pali	2012-06-24 , 20:59
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Originally Posted by Estel

I'm wondering, how "transferable" forum content (database) is between crappy vBulletin and something Open Source'd, like phpBB.

sure, it isn't most important think - OBS is much more - but it would be great to retain TMO functionality, run on better and cheaper platform.

/Estel

There is some tool which can convert vbulletin to phpbb2. And phpbb2 can be upgraded to phpbb3. (also there is tool which can convert phpbb to mybb). I do not think there is other converting tool from vbulletin to XYZ.

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lma	2012-06-25 , 00:06
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Originally Posted by SD69

Garage is not going to be accessible indefinitely - that's the point of figuring out what to keep.

Yeah, this is a big one. Source code at least should definitely be preserved (including revision control history), and it shouldn't be too hard to do so, but other things like bugs, mailing lists and so on will be trickier. It doesn't help that each individual project hosted there needs to be considered separately. Shouid we perhaps crowdsource it?

We are relying upon OBS with scratchbox2.

I'm not up to date on this, can sb2 support Maemo 2.0 .. 4.1 now?

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kate	2012-06-25 , 08:18
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Originally Posted by Wonko

For now I found the following topics to be relevant:
Legal Issues (Names, Trademarks, Domain Names, etc.)

Infrastructure (Web Site, Forum, Wiki, Autobuilder + MeeGo OBS, Mailinglists, Garage, etc.)

Steering (How do we want to organize ourselves? However, please keep this thread on technical details and discuss political issues in a distinct thread.)

Infrastructure
- talk.maemo.org: alternative?
- wiki.maemo.org: alternative?
- garage.maemo.org: alternative: github, gitorious
- main web site at maemo.org: alternative?
- autobuilder?
- OBS at MeeGo?
- Repositories?

About schedule and infrastructure. Three things are needed :
- Servers hardware
- Internet service provider
- Maintenance work

We are planning to buy three servers for Nemein to run maemo.org to end of year. At the moment I don't see any reason why these servers could not be used serve maemo.org later.

About maintenance and ISP I can't speak for Nemein, how much money is required and what part of maintenance work can be run by volunteers.

There is still half of year period for community to organize and find some new sponsors covering costs.

Even maemo.org is not Qt-only, memo.org has also a lot of common with Qt-project, so why not take advantage on that.

Kate

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Bernard	2012-06-25 , 08:59
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Originally Posted by kate

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Nemein
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memo.org
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After googling I found that Nemein is a web services development company, I did not know that. So other than the fact that they developed part of maemo.org, why would they host/sponsor maemo.org ?

And I assume you mean Nemo, since memo.org doesn't seem to be of much use.
I know it is some kind of alternative OS for N9xx, based of MeeGo and Mer project, but I have no idea who are active in development and how big that community is.

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lma	2012-06-25 , 09:15
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Originally Posted by Bernard

After googling I found that Nemein is a web services development company, I did not know that. So other than the fact that they developed part of maemo.org, why would they host/sponsor maemo.org ?

They are the current infrastructure maintainers under contract with Nokia. AFAIK the actual hosting is on a third-party ISP. You would have to ask Nemein whether they would be willing to sponsor maemo.org later, but it might be difficult for them at a time when they will have just lost a major source of income.

And I assume you mean Nemo, since memo.org doesn't seem to be of much use.

That was obviously a typo for "maemo.org".

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