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gerbick	2012-07-23 , 16:25
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Originally Posted by volt

There is some news.

Nokia is considering a change in strategy.

No, not the way you might have been hoping. They are considering dumping the traditional strategy of selling to as many as possible in as many as possible places in Europe. Instead they want to implement the US strategy that's been so "successful" for them in the US. Pick a few operators and have exclusive partnerships. This is surely an result of moving the "successful" US market director up to global market director. Not at all suited here where we have loads of operators per country.

Should shake the stock down even a few more cents.

Source: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/0...86M00520120723

Elop has a one-track mind. The US market will not sustain or save Nokia.

Looking like my prediction of a dollar stock by August (I think I said originally end of July) is gonna happen.

mikecomputing	2012-07-23 , 16:49
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Originally Posted by cheve

As some has brought out the example of Amiga of the old where the 'better' machine did not win the war. So, it could be the same for the new WP8 phone. Nokia is putting all their eggs in this one basket(and given the past track record for the older WPx phone), it really does not look good.

Atari was better than Amiga ....

Anyway, this thread is pointless

Last edited by mikecomputing; 2012-07-23 at 16:52.

Lumiaman	2012-07-23 , 16:53
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Originally Posted by Cue

Worst counter-blog I've read. If you are trying to make a point do not copy whole blog entries verbatim and then comment with one line in-between on one single point in a very similar format. I don't care how poor your wordpress/English skills are, that's just very poor form and makes your point harder to get. Didn't even understand the point s/he was making most of the time.

The point is that we really don't know what was going on behind the curtains, and what numbers they truly had, read and acted upon. I suspect that the numbers were bad, and board approved Elop's burning platform. In retrospect, the burning platform letter was stupid, but he was following 101 business school class to align everyone in new direction, by telling the people where they were going. We can be armchair quarterbacks here, but we dont have all the info that made the board hire Elop and give him permission to burn the platform.

specc	2012-07-23 , 16:54
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Originally Posted by Cue

Didn't even understand the point s/he was making most of the time.

Hmmm. Exactly what was so difficult to understand in that blog entry? It all makes perfect sense to me. Tomy is deranged, and increasingly so as time passes. I wonder what he says in 1 year

But, he is not stupid, far from it, only anti Elop to the point of insanity.

Meanwhile, stock is rising in NY

Helsinki did a recover

switch-hitter	2012-07-23 , 17:05
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

You may want to read this, a slightly different interpretation of what you wrote....

http://dominiescommunicate.wordpress...-january-2011/

I got my figures from the financial statements published on NOKIA's own web site.

I'm really not too interested in: 'TA said this but previously TA had said that'... yawn

mikecomputing	2012-07-23 , 17:06
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Originally Posted by Cue

This might mean their next phone is going to be priced very high. They are trying to copy Apples initial strategy. Take your guesses at the price: £600? $700? Maybe they are doing the complete oppisite and wish to take another huge loss for mind/market share.
It will be in the extremes in any case.

Wonder what this bit means though:

Carriers getting app revenue, or something else entirely?

Ofcourse they doing an Apple. It worked for Apple to have higher price and start hype of something. And people will be stupid enought to buy it. It has happened before.. MANY times...

Lumiaman	2012-07-23 , 17:08
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter

I got my figures from the financial statements published on NOKIA's own web site.

I'm really not too interested in: 'TA said this but previously TA had said that'... yawn

Have you heard of creative accounting

. I wouldnt believe everything I read.

switch-hitter	2012-07-23 , 17:11
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

The point is that we really don't know what was going on behind the curtains, and what numbers they truly had, read and acted upon.

Oh no, not the magic-moonbeam-data argument again.

If Elop had any of that he would've shared it with the world by now.

mikecomputing	2012-07-23 , 17:12
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Originally Posted by Cue

Android may not be fully open but lets not go too far and suggest that it faces the same restrictions as WP. WP cannot even sideload apps and any homebrew is locked as a result meaning you have to pay $99 a year to develop your own apps on it, even for personal use.

Yes, but thats not an argument for endusers. Endusers doesnt give a **** as long there is apps. And the company is hyped they buy theyr products.

So even if WP is crap people MAY buy it. But question still remains if Nokia will win on the deal. Because I am sure samsung and other will leave Google in the longer run especially if Google continues to shooting itself in the foot buy selling Nexus too lowpriced. That may piss samsung and others of and they will go back to Microshit WP/W8 instead. Wish also will hurt stupid Nokia ofcourse...

RFS-81	2012-07-23 , 19:23
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Originally Posted by specc

It could very well be that limiaman think that WP is the greatest of the greatest, but you cannot imply that from what he said. So why do you?

All I'm saying his praising seems way overblown looking at the track record of the platform. The only reason it exists today is that MS could afford to pour money in it though it never produced any returns. Be it any other firm (with less money to spend), it would have been scrapped and forgotten ages ago, the firm bankcrupted.