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2013-01-09 , 18:29
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Submarine patents are irrelevant. I.e. potentially anything can be patented by some unknown patents, and therefore by this definition everything is proprietary altogether? It's not how the definition goes however. If there are no known patents that cover some open source technology, it's free and non proprietary, until proven otherwise.

VP3 was originally encumbered indeed, as well as VP8 by the way. However it's long since it was opened by On2 themselves and became royalty free:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP3

So Theora based on VP3 is by all means a FOSS and non proprietary codec, as well as VP8 which was opened by Google after they bought On2:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8
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2013-01-09 , 18:34
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Originally Posted by shmerl View Post
Submarine patents are irrelevant. I.e. potentially anything can be patented by some unknown patents, and therefore by this definition everything is proprietary altogether? It's not how the definition goes however. If there are no known patents that cover some open source technology, it's free and non proprietary, until proven otherwise.
Submarine patents slow down (edit: I can't say re-t-ard!? It means to slow down) the adoption of a "standard". It's very relevant and affected Ogg Theora directly.

VP3 was originally encumbered indeed, as well as VP8 by the way.
But that doesn't mean non-proprietary. You've overlooked that.

So Theora based on VP3 is by all means a FOSS and non proprietary codec...
Since you linked to Wikipedia, you overlooked the Ogg Theora entry that states otherwise.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Theora is derived from the proprietary VP3 codec, released into the public domain by On2 Technologies. It is broadly comparable in design and bitrate efficiency to MPEG-4 Part 2, early versions of Windows Media Video, and RealVideo while lacking some of the features present in some of these other codecs. It is comparable in open standards philosophy to the BBC's Dirac codec.
Bolded by me, not Wikipedia, btw. It's open, but still proprietary. Thus my statement still stands.
 
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2013-01-09 , 18:37
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It was proprietary. But it's not anymore. Article about Ogg is confusing in its wording.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP3#Move_to_free_software
VP3 was originally a proprietary and patented video codec.
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In September, 2001 it was donated to the public as open source, and On2 irrevocably disclaimed all rights to it, including a royalty-free license grant for any patent claims it might have over the software and any derivatives their patents on the technology, allowing anyone to use any VP3-derived codec for any purpose.
I call it non proprietary.
 
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2013-01-09 , 18:55
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Originally Posted by shmerl View Post
It was proprietary. But it's not anymore. Article about Ogg is confusing in its wording.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP3#Move_to_free_software

I call it non proprietary.
Interesting. And seems like I stand corrected.
 
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2013-01-10 , 10:02
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Geez... everybody beat me to it already. :P Anyway, it's been unencumbered for quite some time now.
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2013-01-10 , 10:10
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So I as proven wrong here,thank you
 
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2013-01-10 , 15:11
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jolla announced on facebook a few minutes ago:

Yes - Jolla's first smartphone is to have a screen bigger than 3.5 inches - For detailed specs, you will have to wait till they are announced later this quarter, though. The device itself should be available by this summer.
 
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2013-01-10 , 16:29
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Hmm if it's any bigger than the N9 then I'm out. I don't understand the obsession with ever larger screens - 5" 1080p seems to be all the rage at CES. A phone that can't fit in my hand starts to become more annoying and less useful. But then I don't like any tablet over 9" and any laptop over 12" so perhaps I'm not in line with standard opinion.
 
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2013-01-10 , 16:32
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I would surely prefer it to be not bigger than N9, since I carry it in my pocket. Extra wide screens make it uncomfortable up to impossible.
 
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2013-01-10 , 16:42
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Originally Posted by vitaminj View Post
Hmm if it's any bigger than the N9 then I'm out. I don't understand the obsession with ever larger screens - 5" 1080p seems to be all the rage at CES. A phone that can't fit in my hand starts to become more annoying and less useful. But then I don't like any tablet over 9" and any laptop over 12" so perhaps I'm not in line with standard opinion.
A big phone is great for Web content, all forms of content. N9 sized phone is so slow simply becouse you can't hit an ran what you want all the time. I hope for a big screen. Did they say premium? No premium phones comes with less than 4 inch 2013. Sorry to tell you right now.

I hope for atleast five possible even 6 inch. 5,5 inch phone can easy be handle with one hand so 6 inch could be tricky, but if they adding a keyboard. Problem solved.
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