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Vromoth	2013-05-05 , 03:33
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I'm sure this question has been answered before but I couldn't fine any threads on it specifically. So what is better Inception or OpenMode?

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Originally Posted by rainisto

OpenMode
By default openmode has Aegis enabled (its always present). Openmode offers you to have AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN export, so you can install any package that you like as com.nokia.maemo. But the negative side is that CAL is locked, so you cannot set your lock code. There also exists open mode kernel which has more relaxed aegis rules, it allows you to run aegis protected capabilities without you first enabling them for example with opensh. But still aegis runs in background.

VS Inception
Where as inception allows you to replace system packages with fixed hacked origin in secure mode. Aegis is still enabled like in all the other possibilities.

VS Opensh
opensh gives you all the capabilites, so you basicly have all the linux features available in secure mode.Aegis is still enabled like in all the other possibilities.

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	coderus	2013-05-05 , 07:14
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OpenMode is pure linux way. root is root, all linux features avialable to use.
Inception is only way for installing applications. It's not give you to control system.

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rainisto	2013-05-05 , 08:44
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Originally Posted by coderus

OpenMode is pure linux way. root is root, all linux features avialable to use.
Inception is only way for installing applications. It's not give you to control system.

Not really.

By default openmode has Aegis enabled (its always present).
Openmode offers you to have AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN export, so you can install any package that you like as com.nokia.maemo. But the negative side is that CAL is locked, so you cannot set your lock code. There also exists open mode kernel which has more relaxed aegis rules, it allows you to run aegis protected capabilities without you first enabling them for example with opensh. But still aegis runs in background.

VS

Where as inception allows you to replace system packages with fixed hacked origin in secure mode. Aegis is still enabled like in all the other possibilities.

VS

opensh gives you all the capabilites, so you basicly have all the linux features available in secure mode.Aegis is still enabled like in all the other possibilities.

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dex87	2013-05-05 , 09:39
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Is it possible to install aegisctrl and inception on openkernel???

I have a problem with the installation package using dpkg -i ...on openkernel mode. how to fix that???

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Garp	2013-05-05 , 10:51
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I have default openmode and inception installed. (First inception then OM, so I don't know if it's possible the other way around)
By that I have ariadne installed as an substitute for opensh as I understand it?

Is it possible to use ariadne on the top/default so to speak to give access to CAL and set the lock code or is it needed to start all over again?

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rainisto	2013-05-05 , 11:36
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Originally Posted by Garp

I have default openmode and inception installed.
By that I have ariadne installed as an substitute for opensh as I understand it?

Is it possible to use ariadne on the top/default so to speak to give access to CAL and set the lock code or is it needed to start all over again?

In openmode CAL is permanently locked. Only way to access CAL is to refhash back to secure mode.

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rainisto	2013-05-05 , 11:38
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Originally Posted by dex87

Is it possible to install aegisctrl and inception on openkernel???

I have a problem with the installation package using dpkg -i ...on openkernel mode. how to fix that???

In openmode you dont have to use inception. You can just install stuff like this:

AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN=com.nokia.maemo dpkg -i package.deb

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Garp	2013-05-05 , 11:44
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Originally Posted by rainisto

Not really.

By default openmode has Aegis enabled (its always present).
Openmode offers you to have AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN export, so you can install any package that you like as com.nokia.maemo. But the negative side is that CAL is locked, so you cannot set your lock code. There also exists open mode kernel which has more relaxed aegis rules, it allows you to run aegis protected capabilities without you first enabling them for example with opensh. But still aegis runs in background.

VS

Where as inception allows you to replace system packages with fixed hacked origin in secure mode. Aegis is still enabled like in all the other possibilities.

VS

opensh gives you all the capabilites, so you basicly have all the linux features available in secure mode.Aegis is still enabled like in all the other possibilities.

But with Inception you have ariadne installed as an substitutte for opensh as I understand it. What is then the different between this and your second VS (opensh)?

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	peterleinchen	2013-05-05 , 11:49
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@rainisto: Thanks for this explanation, now it should be clear to everybody.

But one thing I wanted you to ask already in another thread:

Originally Posted by rainisto

By default openmode has Aegis enabled (its always present).
...
There also exists open mode kernel which has more relaxed aegis rules, ...

Do I understand that right, that there is a possibility to be in open mode without flashing an open mode kernel?
Or did I miss something totally badly?

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rainisto	2013-05-05 , 11:54
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Originally Posted by peterleinchen

@rainisto: Thanks for this explanation, now it should be clear to everybody.

But one thing I wanted you to ask already in another thread:

Do I understand that right, that there is a possibility to be in open mode without flashing an open mode kernel?
Or did I miss something totally badly?

Yes, you can trigger openmode even without flashing anything, ie if you ramload any kernel with -b and without -f flash, it also triggers open mode, that way you are in openmode with stock kernel.