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I haven't used a Palm for years. Does the $200 version do Skype? Can you buy a $60 GPS device and use it to map your trip? Does it use wireless? How is it for browsing the net?
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2008-01-27
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Originally Posted by geneven
1) "Skype"? Why? I have a cell phone.
I haven't used a Palm for years. Does the $200 version do Skype? Can you buy a $60 GPS device and use it to map your trip? Does it use wireless? How is it for browsing the net?
2) You can buy a GPS with or without owning a Palm. Not sure how this is relevant. Then again, I said "useful". I have yet to see any use for having a GPS. I have had a map book in my car for 20 years (not the same one that whole time, of course), and it cost a hell of a lot less than a GPS (or the full version of "Wayfinder").
3) As for browsing the web, I said "useful", not "entertaining". That being said, yes, you could browse the web on a Palm four years ago, although there is no question that the n810 does it better (thanks to the Gecko engine).
The n810 is a fun little gadget. But useful, or a replacement for a Palm, it isn't. Not yet, anyway.
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Originally Posted by abby_normal
The tablet trumps non-phone Palms on everything except calendaring. Media playback, Skype, IM, and a wealth of ported or portable Linux apps make for a great experience. I definitely don't want a phone, so the tablets are a great choice.
Have been following this discussion with interest. Sounds like a number of former Palm users find GPE lacking in comparison. May I ask why? Syncing is clearly an issue (although robust two-way syncing with Google calendar would seem to go a long way towards addressing that issue if it could be ironed out). Tight integration with other apps (e.g. email) is also clearly lacking at this point. But what else do Palm users miss with respect to the PIM functions?
Re: PIM functionality. GPE is very close to being usable instead of a Palm calendar. It currently lacks
1. Alarms that wake from power off. GPE must be running for alarms to work. The GPE alarms need to be integrated with the "system alarms" that do work from power off.
2. Customizable alarms, with at least the ability to see upcoming alarms and silence them (meetings etc.)
3. Direct file based synchronization of desktop calendars (via .ics files) or even a direct sync with iCal (Mac) and Outlook (Win). Unfortunately google calendar sync is simply not acceptable for business use.
4. Ease of use optimizations. DateBk on the Palm is very slick in comparison to GPE owing to careful optimization of the layout, dialogs etc. for the small Palm screen.
I am not a developer but these missing features (1-3) all seem doable. Sync via e.g. Opensync is close.
I also agree with Sean Luke's essay http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/ which applies to the whole Maemo experience. OS2008 feels much better than OS2007, but most of comments still apply.
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2008-01-27
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hey there,
Ok , this thread started back in October. The OP asked if it was time to move from his Palm to the N8xx. I read every post in this thread expecting to eventually see a post about the Garnet VM. Hmm, never happened. You guys know about that right? Palm Calender and addresses and todos and so on sync with Palm Desktop. I know it works. it's working for me. Check out the Palm forum here. OK, I admit, there are a few glitches with it. Some things don't work quite right. But I thought it was worth mentioning in this thread. I don't know the full extent of the Garnet VM's functionality when it comes to PIM since I was never a Palm user. But I think being able to hotsync to Palm Desktop from my N800 is a great start and it's here now.
Neil
Ok , this thread started back in October. The OP asked if it was time to move from his Palm to the N8xx. I read every post in this thread expecting to eventually see a post about the Garnet VM. Hmm, never happened. You guys know about that right? Palm Calender and addresses and todos and so on sync with Palm Desktop. I know it works. it's working for me. Check out the Palm forum here. OK, I admit, there are a few glitches with it. Some things don't work quite right. But I thought it was worth mentioning in this thread. I don't know the full extent of the Garnet VM's functionality when it comes to PIM since I was never a Palm user. But I think being able to hotsync to Palm Desktop from my N800 is a great start and it's here now.
Neil
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2008-01-27
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i still cant get my freakin n810 with garnet vm to sync with palm desktop...i can't even get it to connect
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2008-01-27
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Originally Posted by KCOTT
I had this problem too until I got it set up right.
i still cant get my freakin n810 with garnet vm to sync with palm desktop...i can't even get it to connect
The basics
-use network mode
-make sure both your lap top and your n800 are connected to your wireless router.
-make sure that the IP address of your computer is registered in Garnet VM in the proper place.
-Seems that some versions of Datebk work with it and
some don't. Versions of Datebk5 work. I listed version information in a Palm thread very recently
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2008-01-27
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Originally Posted by sungrove
Yes.
I read every post in this thread expecting to eventually see a post about the Garnet VM. Hmm, never happened. You guys know about that right?
1) It's not stable.
2) Sync does not work. It gets about halfway through and then disconnects. I gave up after a dozen tries over several days to get a hotsync to complete successfully. It never did, not once.
3) It's *tiny*. The Palm T5 screen is roughly the same size as that of the n810. The Garnet VM "screen" is roughly one-third that size, if that.
4) It does not have access to the n810 file system nor to the removable SD card.
5) There is no way to set the Hotsync ID (yes, I have tried the various suggestions in this forum: they do not work), which means there is no way to register 90% of the software that one would use to do real work.
The Garnet VM sounds great in theory. In practice: not so much.
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2008-01-27
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Originally Posted by bblackmoor
Sure, great points. I agree with some of them. But maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones. It's syncing for me. And even with Garnet's shortcomings, I find it way more useful than the GPE stuff. And I've tried Erminig and Google Calendar.
Yes.
1) It's not stable.
2) Sync does not work. It gets about halfway through and then disconnects. I gave up after a dozen tries over several days to get a hotsync to complete successfully. It never did, not once.
3) It's *tiny*. The Palm T5 screen is roughly the same size as that of the n810. The Garnet VM "screen" is roughly one-third that size, if that.
4) It does not have access to the n810 file system nor to the removable SD card.
5) There is no way to set the Hotsync ID (yes, I have tried the various suggestions in this forum: they do not work), which means there is no way to register 90% of the software that one would use to do real work.
The Garnet VM sounds great in theory. In practice: not so much.
And I'd say that being able to sync my Calendar, address book and so on to my Lap Top is pretty 'real work'
But ya, I can see being disillusioned with Garnet if it's not syncing right for you. Then again there really are a lot of variables involved- like some of the Datebk versions not working .
I'm not sure what you mean by 'no way to set Hotsync ID', ?
And I have seen guys talking about Garnet being unstable in the Palm forum, maybe I'm wrong, but it appears to me that part of the problem there is that people are trying to load too much software into it. To me it has been quite stable. I am simply using it as PIM and nothing more.
Neil
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Originally Posted by dubwise
If a browser is able to lockup the complete system then you can't really say the palm is stable. Sorry..
The browsers are all unstable. The Palm is not.
It's not a general purpose computer.
Use it as it's intended, and you'll never need the reset button.
Probably it comes from the lack of mmu and bad memory management (which is almost the same with all mmu-less devices, I'm not blaming palm for this)
So the only thing I should do is transfer my documents using documentToGo (c) (r) (if I remember well the name) which doesn't work on my PC (linux)? And then why did they put wireless and a browser if you are not supposed to use them..
The network stack is also very unstable..
Pretty useless _for me_
But don't get me wrong, I can understand that no PIM on the n800 can be a real pain for some. It's a big missing feature.
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2008-01-27
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Originally Posted by sungrove
yeah, i figured this out last night...trying to install some apps...it be nice if i could allot more than 64 mb of storage space, or garnet recognize a memory card for that matter
Sure, great points. I agree with some of them. But maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones. It's syncing for me. And even with Garnet's shortcomings, I find it way more useful than the GPE stuff. And I've tried Erminig and Google Calendar.
And I'd say that being able to sync my Calendar, address book and so on to my Lap Top is pretty 'real work'
But ya, I can see being disillusioned with Garnet if it's not syncing right for you. Then again there really are a lot of variables involved- like some of the Datebk versions not working .
I'm not sure what you mean by 'no way to set Hotsync ID', ?
And I have seen guys talking about Garnet being unstable in the Palm forum, maybe I'm wrong, but it appears to me that part of the problem there is that people are trying to load too much software into it. To me it has been quite stable. I am simply using it as PIM and nothing more.
Neil
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