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aegis is offline aegis
2014-09-23 , 17:46
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#11
Originally Posted by bluefoot View Post
Between basic, necessary features still being missing (copy-paste, voicemail notifications etc), terrible connectivity problems when roaming, the awful battery life, and poor e-mail .. it's not exactly a great companion for professionals working in the tech industry, or any industry.
I don't have any of these problems. copy-paste is only an issue in the Jolla browser. It works everywhere else as far as I can tell. And there's a fix already in git for it so it's coming.

I get voicemail notifications from my carrier just fine - an SMS if someone leaves a message. My SIP provider sends me an email with a WAV file in.

I never have connectivity issues roaming except for at home where I had two access points with the same ID - fixed that by just having two different IDs so no biggie.

The battery life is stellar. I easily get 2+ days whereas an N9 rarely saw me through a working day and always needed a quick charge before going out for a night. It outlives an iPhone 5c even.

Email works fine for me using regular IMAP. It occasionally shows 'email not responding' so it could be faster but otherwise it's reliable.

It could be I've got the perfect collection of 'things that work' but it's pretty good for me. If they fixed CalDAV so it worked with iCloud, implemented CardDAV and added SIP I couldn't think of another thing I'd want as a 'companion for professionals', personally.

Originally Posted by bluefoot View Post
I suspect most 'interest in proper Linux' will go straight to Ubuntu once it's released, unless Jolla actually come up with a selling point for Sailfish
I've Ubuntu on one of my laptops. I gave it about 6 months to see if I could ween myself off Macs. I've been using Unix since 1986 on an AT&T 3b2. The Unity UI is bad enough on a laptop but they seem to want to carry much of that over to mobile as well. I'd rather poke myself in the eye with a fork than use Ubuntu again as my primary OS. Sailfish does have a selling point - a UI that isn't developed by Ubuntu.
 

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2014-09-23 , 17:57
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Originally Posted by bluefoot View Post
Agree, but I feel like they sidetracked themselves with things like the Jolla Launcher (now delayed), TOH and choosing to go with a bespoke (low quality) phone after the ST-E / Ericsson withdrawal instead of a good quality off the shelf design from a Chinese OEM. For such a small company they gave themselves far too much to do, in my view. I hope some of the management issues from the old Nokia didn't creep into the new company, but focus and priorities do seem a little funky.
Maybe they do need more focus but this is their first year with a product and any company is likely to be all over the place.

The Jolla phone doesn't appear to be either massively bespoke or low quality though.

I may be doing the Jolla hardware designers a disservice here but it appears to be pretty much an off the shelf reference design Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 Android handset shoehorned into the shell of the ST-E handset design they had before manufactured by BenQ IIRC. I really don't want to belittle that as I'm perfectly happy with it.

Quality wise, I've had zero issues too but appreciate others haven't had the same experience.
 
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2014-09-23 , 18:02
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I wish I was as lucky as you seem to have been .. and I think quite a few others might feel similarly, if together.jolla has been any indication.

Re: Ubuntu .. I don't think it's remotely similar to desktop, unfortunately. The unity menu on the side ... it does ... nothing. It's just a few web app bookmarks. Multi-tasking in its current iteration isn't multitasking at all (apps are immediately suspended when not focused), what they mean by multitasking is just an easier to access / deal with task manager, accessed by gesture, than Andoid (or iOS / WP). Somewhere along the line, their vision seems to have lost focus ... the poweful, multi-tasking, smooth UX they originally talked about and envisioned seems to have been replaced with a disjointed mess of web apps and search integration. However I strongly suspect that much of the Ubuntu community will be quite vocal about not finding this acceptable, and it'll be fixed swiftly, or alternate UX schemes will be made and distributed by the community.
 

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2014-09-23 , 18:09
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Originally Posted by aegis View Post
Maybe they do need more focus but this is their first year with a product and any company is likely to be all over the place.

The Jolla phone doesn't appear to be either massively bespoke or low quality though.

I may be doing the Jolla hardware designers a disservice here but it appears to be pretty much an off the shelf reference design Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 Android handset shoehorned into the shell of the ST-E handset design they had before manufactured by BenQ IIRC. I really don't want to belittle that as I'm perfectly happy with it.

Quality wise, I've had zero issues too but appreciate others haven't had the same experience.
It's not a reference design, though. The components are all commodoties, sure, but the combination of parts and the phone's housing are not shared with other devices. This increases cost considerably (design, lack of bulk orders for components, different assembly line, separate testing) and means that they're guaranteed to have more QC issues. I think the quality of manufacture and materials (not delving into spec sheet) is very sub par for a device of its cost, or one of half the cost.

Think it was BenQ's parent that assemble it. They don't make any high quality phones, that I'm aware of. They tend to specialise in relatively cheap OEM designs which are then cosmetically altered or rebranded by dozens of small players or carriers around the world. Had Jolla gone that route, I think they and we would have got better value. I still find it weird though that they didn't go with one of the top notch Chinese OEMs, especially given their base in HK and obvious hopes in China.
 
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2014-09-23 , 18:12
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So Ubuntu have taken the non-multitasking of Windows Phone/iOS and a mash up Firefox's phone UI and Unity?

Yummy. Sign me up.

"However I strongly suspect that much of the Ubuntu community will be quite vocal about not finding this acceptable"

...and do what they did on desktop... install something with a Start menu like Windows XP.
 
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2014-09-23 , 18:22
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It's very difficult to see how Ubuntu Phone will turn out, either near or long term. Most of the UX and lack of native apps probably reflects a lack of development focus, as they've taken far longer and had far more blockers to clear at a basic OS level than they hoped.

However they have a deal with a huge Chinese OEM that will almost certainly make it big in the West in 2015, so even if it's a shadow of what it should be, they're going to pick up a few users and a lot of exposure.
 
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2014-09-23 , 18:59
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Re: Jolla employees using non-Jolla phones to tweet or as their personal / business phone. Is anyone surprised?
I'd be surprised if this was really so.
I find the Jolla device to be just perfect tool for my work and personal needs, in fact I could go as far as claim it is the best phone I ever have owned

How do you find out, BTW, the device that they are using fot twitter? Not being a twitter-bird myself I do not know this, is it possible to find from somebody's tweets what was the device?
 
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2014-09-23 , 19:01
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Originally Posted by aegis View Post
So Ubuntu have taken the non-multitasking of Windows Phone/iOS and a mash up Firefox's phone UI and Unity?
Wow, I suspected it would be bad (unstable, slow, full of NiH components), but that it would become this BAD ?
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2014-09-23 , 19:08
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Originally Posted by juiceme View Post
I'd be surprised if this was really so.
I find the Jolla device to be just perfect tool for my work and personal needs, in fact I could go as far as claim it is the best phone I ever have owned

How do you find out, BTW, the device that they are using fot twitter? Not being a twitter-bird myself I do not know this, is it possible to find from somebody's tweets what was the device?
I also use Jolla as my primary mobile computer and don't really have issues with it - it could be improved here and there, but I find it perfectly usable.

(BTW, just a note: I don't use the Jolla for calling & SMS, I have a "proper" phone for that - a Nokia N6610i. Actually I don't really get how someone can use a smartphone for calling - the screen must be sticky all over, it is uncomfortable to hold sucha big thing and do not even get me started on the abysmal battery life inherent to all these newfangled smartphones (Jolla is a bit better than the rest though). )
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2014-09-23 , 23:07
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I am quite surprised to hear about the suspend in Ubuntu touch (for phones). That right there gives Sailfish a very nice selling point. I enjoyed what I saw of Sailfish's interface and the alien dalvic ability to run some android apps is a nice bonus. I was considering picking up an Ubuntu phone as Jolla has not made a US usable phone, perhaps I still will and if a Sailfish port works on it maybe move towards Sailfish. I'd prefer to buy a phone with the OS I want already on it to make an albeit tiny vote with my dollars. Buying a Nexus 5 is another android sold even if I wipe it and put something else on it. Android interface never really agreed with me and I tend to prefer more of a linux environment. I'm still on my N9 for now.
 
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