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2014-09-30 , 21:45
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#151
Yeah, I also wonder what's gonna happen there. Will TI let the Moto 360 die in its heyday or will they produce some more SoC's that they wouldn't want to produce anymore? Interesting point of debate.

Actually, Intel does have ARM CPU's due to a partnership: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/int...ips,15923.html
 
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Originally Posted by bluefoot View Post
If Meizu wants native drivers for the SoC, Mediatek will almost certainly not refuse. They're very big, and soon likely to be huge. They're also an incredibly valued customer as they're shirking Qualcomm entirely, and indeed it's their stated policy. Besides, if Ubuntu looks like it will take off, then having native drivers for their SoCs will be an asset for them in the fight to win business from OEMs intending to release Ubuntu phones / ROMs. But it is probably unlikely at this stage.
I will say I had never heard of Meizu until now, but I will assume that I'm a self-centered dinosaur and accept your premise.

Wait, there are too many premises to accept there. IF Meizu gets big enough, IF Mediatek trumples Qualcomm enough so that they get to have some muscle power over the graphics IP companies, IF Ubuntu looks like it will take off, IF Canonical decides that having open non Android drivers is an advantage (and not an opportunity for lockdown)...

I just wish I could believe any of them would ever become true.

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they widely distributed their code, competitors would appropriate it and use it in their own products within months.
That erroneous belief is exactly why you're not going to have any luck trying to get any piece of _useful_ information from Mediatek. And obviously not a driver.

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Now that they're big enough, and are now competing with the big dogs, they can afford not to worry about knock-offs and code-stealing running them out of business. Hence why their policy has changed lately. Their policy was borne out of necessity, not because they want to lock everything down.

"Scumbags" is not the word I would use, but it would be very close.

And this is about their smar****ch attempt, ie 2014. They were worse before indeed.

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Personally I'm grateful that there is an emerging competitor for the virtual monopoly of Qualcomm, especially as they're not US based. Samsung as of yet aren't competing head on.
I don't want to live on this planet any more... none of these names have even made any attempt to be much OSS or even basic privacy/hackability friendly...
 

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#153
Well, under GPL you are actually obliged to ship the source code to only the ones who got the binaries from you - so the partners bit is fine, if you conder all end users of your devices your partners. You can also require a - reasonable - fee to provide the sources, so that's also fine. On the other hand, NDA is of course totally out of the question in case of the provided GPL source code.
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Originally Posted by vistaus View Post
Yeah, I also wonder what's gonna happen there. Will TI let the Moto 360 die in its heyday or will they produce some more SoC's that they wouldn't want to produce anymore? Interesting point of debate.

Actually, Intel does have ARM CPU's due to a partnership: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/int...ips,15923.html
The article says Intel is building ARM core chips for a 3rd party, and is very light on details. All of Intel's smartphone platforms right now are x86.
 
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Originally Posted by bigfatdeal View Post
The article says Intel is building ARM core chips for a 3rd party, and is very light on details. All of Intel's smartphone platforms right now are x86.
I know. I didn't say they have ARM CPU's for smartphones, I said they have ARM CPU's which is true because they manufacture them.
 
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Originally Posted by MartinK View Post
Well, under GPL you are actually obliged to ship the source code to only the ones who got the binaries from you - so the partners bit is fine, if you conder all end users of your devices your partners. You can also require a - reasonable - fee to provide the sources, so that's also fine. On the other hand, NDA is of course totally out of the question in case of the provided GPL source code.
Correct. Now compare: http://omappedia.org/wiki/Linux_Kernel_Int_Trees

And don't get me wrong, if any manufacturer started doing "the right thing" I would switch to them in an instant. For a time, after the FOSDEM talk which praised them, I started keeping an eye on Allwinner, but it seems that they went 180° , despite the fact that they even joined Linaro. My hopes are really down by now.
 

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All I'll say is that you're likely to see significant changes with Mediatek .. they wouldn't have participated in the Android One programme if it was their one and only prerogative to close and obfuscate.

Hadn't heard of Meizu? Well, in China their pre-orders for the MX4 hit 7.7m before they had to shut them down and then delay the device by some weeks due to the colossal demand. It's why Canonical's deal with them is so huge, rather than being "just some Chinese OEM" as many people thought when it was announced that Meizu / BQ were the launch partners for Ubuntu Phone. They're likely to make a big splash in EU & NA next year, too.
 
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Originally Posted by bluefoot View Post
All I'll say is that you're likely to see significant changes with Mediatek .. they wouldn't have participated in the Android One programme if it was their one and only prerogative to close and obfuscate.

Hadn't heard of Meizu? Well, in China their pre-orders for the MX4 hit 7.7m before they had to shut them down and then delay the device by some weeks due to the colossal demand. It's why Canonical's deal with them is so huge, rather than being "just some Chinese OEM" as many people thought when it was announced that Meizu / BQ were the launch partners for Ubuntu Phone. They're likely to make a big splash in EU & NA next year, too.
Actually, even though they're not really marketing themselves, they have been selling in EU and USA for a few years now. The MX series has been officially sold in the EU and USA since 2012. (and if unofficially counts, then 2010 because the M8 and M9 were selling through some 3rd party web stores that imported and sold them in the USA as well)
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What. A. Bunch. Of. Offtopic.
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What. A. Bunch. Of. Offtopic.
Well, to be fair, I did ask an ontopic question a couple of posts back but no one seemed interested to answer that question and continue ontopic, so I just went along with it.
 
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