Originally Posted by Dave999

Finally some action in this thread mission completed!

Neo9001 sounds cool. But neo1000 sounds awsome!

Originally Posted by DDark

Maybe Neo900 Mk2 ?

I would like to see Pyra specs(SoC, screen) in custom case with sliding keyboard.

Originally Posted by endsormeans

Yup I cannot disagree... it is a pretty penny...
But it is worth it on soooo many fronts.
Here is my guestimate.
There are a whole world of people who would love a phone/ computer with less closed bits, more private, more secure, more hackable, more...um flexible all around.
The price ...at the moment is a hurdle for many...
New kid on the block syndrome as well...

But here is my take....

-Just wait until there are the 300+ units ....300+ of the lil' desirable devils runnin' around....

-Just wait until you, your neighbours...co-workers and peers see the the reviews...sees them in action...

-And as I have said...if my (still in use almost a decade later) n8x0's and my (almost 5 yr old partially closed and crippled) n900 can still outperform in some areas what other new models can't do...then how long can you guess at the lifespan of a well thought out device and os?
5-10?
maybe less than ten...maybe more with upgrades ...?
THAT makes it worth it ...
I'm not interested in buying a new smartphone every 2nd or 3rd year....THAT IS the price of the neo!
Having to buy into planned corporate obsolescence? Me? Not interested.

Just wait for the 2nd and 3rd runs...it'll get cheaper...the more people "see" them.
It may never be as popular as droid, M$, or iphone....
On the other hand ...
It may ...and the philosophy may take the world by storm...

Sadly alot of people have little in the way of vision or imagination...let alone the ability to speculate ahead in time.
But that and other factors just make it easier for the neo...
The neo....this kind of device...is exactly what is needed at exactly the right point in time. Between what the competition is offering and how they are closing things up (no root ability in the future for android?!?!) and making a mess of what advantage they got (bendgate and the recalled ios) ....the alternative choice being what? a win phone? the tizen (teasin' ) hope? A Jolla with an increasingly dissatisfied user base of people who just want a new battery ...only to find they have to buy a whole new phone just to get the battery? .. don't forget all the coat-tail riding innovation at a snail pace...toss in a tablespoon of edward snowden and a pinch of Assange ...and voila!
The stars are in perfect alignment.
Never a better time.
I'd almost hazard the pinky of god it/ her/ hisself was at work just to make the climate favourable and the sun shine a little warmer just for the neo


there we go....zealotry rant ended for the day

Originally Posted by joerg_rw

And we got some working OS, actually even a few ones, some of them targeted at high security for the managers and politically active people (and of course for the average Joe interested in really good security/privacy).

Originally Posted by wicket

Interesting that CryptoCult link but as far as can tell it's not an OS but a suite of applications. How does this relate to the Neo900 (or its successor)? Is someone going to build an OS around these applications or is the plan to run them under Replicant? I couldn't find any sign that they are open source (which should also be a concern for the privacy-minded individual).

Originally Posted by endsormeans

Exactly.
The populace desire what is incrementally and experimentally being fed to them. The more they get a taste ...the more they want.
Yes the n900 and neo aren't mainstream ease-of-use devices with "bling-age" ...
but it really is about the pitch.

Aim at an intellectually privileged few ...and we'll get just that.
AND WE MUST STOP HAM-STRINGING OURSELVES BY SAYING OUR DEVICES ARE FOR AN ELITE FEW WHO CAN UNDERSTAND THEM. Sure there is a learning curve in some cases ...but it is only neurosurgery or rocket science...if the individual desires that much depth and complexity from their device...
Fact is ...saying to the world ..."We stand apart...and most will not "get" where we are coming from...."
Will only succeed in a very wasteful, unproductive, and unnecessary form of self-imposed alienation.
This view and statement is not new...it isn't a privilege only of this community...it is prevalent in the world.
It automatically shuts out, is non-inclusive, does no illumination or education. And personally am not interested in it...it just breeds frustration on both sides of the illusory fence.

Aim at vid. bites highlighting security, privacy, flexibility, longevity long term affordability and a whack more "-ity's" and it'll sell to the public.
You tell Joe who works at the factory ...or Phil the waiter ...or Jean who works at the mall...that the neo is a superior device with the customer in mind ...that will...in the long haul...SAVE them money (instead of having little choice but buying a new smartphone every few years through planned obsolescence) ...and yeah...you've sold 'em.
No one....especially lower-income earners want to (or more bluntly ...can afford to) simply throw money out the window all the time...

For example ...when I was younger ..I was alot poorer... and of course I wanted what everyone else had ...what everyone else wanted and what everyone else was being pitched....BUT more than anything... I bought "smart" ...even if...at the time the purchase was more expensive than other alternatives ...I bought with the intent of having a superior product that would have a longer lifespan...the neo is no different.

Pitch it right...pitch it smart and alot of people will be lining up for one.