Bad extra to which we did not agree to when we were paying. I think that was already clearly explained. Throwing it away doesn't remove the problem (see the pollution analogy above).

Then don't use it. Make all your friends reformat their cards, because it is the right thing to do, don't force your extremist FOSS views on a company that depends on the usability of their device (by the masses)

Exactly.

I was just commenting that I'm okay with some people having AD even when I do not use it or want it. OTOH, if it was offered as a perk in a similar way than exFAT support is being done, I would be against it too.

Do you suggest me to request a refund? It's not about use or it not use it. It's about supporting something negative with crowdfunding money and such goal being set after money were already paid.

If pkcon remove is so hard for you to execute, probably. Just explain this:
Alien Dalvik - OK in your book, because you will not use it, Jolla still pays MS tax (or the AD guys, whatever)
exFAT - not OK, because you will not use it, Jolla pays again MS tax

What's the difference? Jolla has no app ecosystem so has to rely on something that pays MS tax = OK. Jolla has no patented file system that is used by the most of the world, has to pay MS tax = not OK

Where's the logic in that?

I have restrained myself from this discussion until now, but it's starting look more and more ridiculous.

First, this is crowdfunding - you did not pay for anything: you contributed money and you may or may not receive a tablet.

Second, it has been stated from the beginning that things may change - no specs you see are necessarily final. Even in the video, Marc said it is "just a dream/plan". There is a difference that we know that Jolla can deliver a product, but since it is crowdfunding, it may not even have any MicroSD slot in the end.


I was always the first to stand up against pushing proprietary standards and even more against the ones being pushed by Microsoft. Am I happy to contibute to MS? No. But if I was buying a 100% (actually, not 100%) open product, I would go for Neo900. I want a device I can recommend to any of my non-technical friends and it will just work, while not restricting the hackability for myself.

Jolla had already promised to bring 128GB cards, so I don't know what this discussion is about. Once it reaches 1,500,000, they need to go for ExFAT, because if they didn't, they would have to tell all the customers that it does not support 128GB cards as was promised. Any further discussion is pointless.

I had no idea the SDXC situation was so dirty and I am not at all happy about it (I will not buy SDXC cards in any foreseeable future, not to support the situation further), but I don't expect Jolla to shoot themselves in the foot by 1) not keeping the promise 2) not supporting something (almost) everyone else does.

Since neo900 and its cost are quite astronomical considering spec sheet, yet still there are people willing to shell out cash for it, maybe suggest to Jolla to make another campaign for fully free, fully open, fully MS-less (if such thing is even possible) tablet that will cost 1000 euro? 3-4x the normal price seems fair (then again neo900 specs were few years old from the start), probably not quad core, but for some people this would be the tablet of their dreams. Jolla could skip libhybris as performance is not important for people willing to buy open stuff, maybe even RMS will chip in? They would need 4x less people to reach their goal and in the future kill libhybris fully when intel proves itself in SoC space (which they still have to do IIRC)

I'm not going to use Alien Dalvik.

exFAT isn't there by default. Adding it (and with crowdfuding money with that) is something I don't like at all. Why some people have hard time understanding a problem with adding a controversial stretch goal in the middle of the campaign? That's the matter at hand, regardless of exFAT specifics even. And what's ridiculous is claiming that it's absolutely necessary. It's clearly very controversial and not universally wanted feature. Jolla can come up with stretch goals about features which aren't controversial and actually useful for most backers.

Will exFAT support being decided in tutorial/first run wizard like AD fix it for you? You will be able to not click on that: 'Yes, please give me normal SD card support' and the filthy MS package will not be installed, will that do? Since they managed just that with AD, pretty sure they can offer same opt-in functionality with exFAT

Acceptable approach was proposed in the request on TJC already. I.e. an option for those who need exFAT to buy it as a paid add-on.