Originally Posted by JulmaHerra

Not used it, but judging from several videos and reviews, the biggest reason for me is the work flow. On Sailfish it's very effective and built around access to running apps, but Ubuntu takes very different approach which of course is not bad think per se. I just don't like the idea that running things are hidden somewhere opposed to seeing and having access to them from default view. IMO Ubuntu won't be a successor to Harmattan but it's completely different thing. Some may like it, some don't. But Canonical does have more stable financials behind it as they have other business areas to support ventures in mobile and consumer world.

Originally Posted by billranton

Wow, this is crazy. Sailfish is nicely stable, and you're suggesting ripping out Mer, the most stable part?

I think the rate of updates has been phenomenal for a startup. Without parallel. Their challenge now is to get licensees, not sack everyone.

Originally Posted by bluefoot

Firstly, they need to get rid of their entire senior management and executive team; all of them, without exception - even if some are competent - to demonstrate a major change to any potential investors.

Originally Posted by bluefoot

Secondly they need to abandon Sailfish as a distinct OS. They've proved wholly incapable of maintaining and upgrading it at any remotely reasonable cadence.

Originally Posted by bluefoot

They should do as the KDE team have (and no doubt others will in future) and use Ubuntu Touch as a basis for their work.

Originally Posted by bluefoot

It'd have way better performance and features,

Originally Posted by bluefoot

less work for them, and it'd be able to tap into a platform and community which OEMs have already shown serious interest in.

Originally Posted by bluefoot

Firstly, they need to get rid of their entire senior management and executive team; all of them, without exception - even if some are competent - to demonstrate a major change to any potential investors.

Secondly they need to abandon Sailfish as a distinct OS. They've proved wholly incapable of maintaining and upgrading it at any remotely reasonable cadence. They should do as the KDE team have (and no doubt others will in future) and use Ubuntu Touch as a basis for their work. It'd have way better performance and features, less work for them, and it'd be able to tap into a platform and community which OEMs have already shown serious interest in. They could focus on the UX and functionality, applications and courting hardware makers then. This idea has to have been floated by some of the developers (though I'd guess no-one in management) already.

They absolutely will not survive by trying to go on as they have.

Originally Posted by bluefoot

There's only one way out of this for Jolla in my opinion.

Firstly, they need to get rid of their entire senior management and executive team; all of them, without exception - even if some are competent - to demonstrate a major change to any potential investors.

Secondly they need to abandon Sailfish as a distinct OS. They've proved wholly incapable of maintaining and upgrading it at any remotely reasonable cadence. They should do as the KDE team have (and no doubt others will in future) and use Ubuntu Touch as a basis for their work. It'd have way better performance and features, less work for them, and it'd be able to tap into a platform and community which OEMs have already shown serious interest in. They could focus on the UX and functionality, applications and courting hardware makers then. This idea has to have been floated by some of the developers (though I'd guess no-one in management) already.

They absolutely will not survive by trying to go on as they have.

Originally Posted by MartinK

Doesn't make sense IMHO - also I think there are hardly many left by this point.

Originally Posted by billranton

It feels a lot like Gnome vs KDE all over again. Sometimes I think the OSS community is its own worst enemy. If it can't work together, then it'll lose mobile like it lost the desktop.