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2015-11-30
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Originally Posted by bluefoot
If your expectations were this high, then it's no wonder you're so violently disappointed. Large corporations with huge amounts of resources haven't managed to get as far as Jolla have in their limited time - and they weren't allowed to take as much of Meego as you seem to think they started with. No-one here is claiming that it's perfect, and certainly not as polished and complete as the competition. It's never going to take over - the best we can hope for is a niche where people who want to tinker with their mobile devices can do so, and create things they couldn't dream of on larger platforms. They're not even there yet, but they're taking steps in the right direction, and I hope they continue to do so in spite of the arrogant, entitled opinions like this getting shouted from the rooftops. Because if people like you were in charge, nothing would ever change.
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2015-11-30
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Just a few hours to december...the month where restructuring, new round of investments, lions share of tablet shipments shall take place. What a glorious month!
Could we get some good news already tomorrow...yes, no, maybe
Could we get some good news already tomorrow...yes, no, maybe
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2015-11-30
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Originally Posted by Dave999
Dave666 ur funny
Just a few hours to december...the month where restructuring, new round of investments, lions share of tablet shipments shall take place. What a glorious month!
Could we get some good news already tomorrow...yes, no, maybe
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2015-11-30
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Originally Posted by Dave999
Was it December 2015 ?
Just a few hours to december...the month where restructuring, new round of investments, lions share of tablet shipments shall take place. What a glorious month!
Could we get some good news already tomorrow...yes, no, maybe
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2015-11-30
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Originally Posted by bluefoot
I completely agree with you. Also one of the best summaries I've read so far was from tbr on sailfish-devel:
If they were as good as you and other seem to think and it was just a question of resources, you'd have seen them taken over or fully funded long ago, with more than 1 partner (now likely gone) in 4 years. That none of that happened is testament to what I just stated.
https://lists.sailfishos.org/piperma...er/006776.html
Anyway, whatever would be said, then a lot of people here at TMO will stay unconvinced, forever dreaming about the alternative history and "what if... " blaming the market, corporations, hardware manufacturers, NSA etc. and of course "dumb" users that pick up other OSes instead of their unlike, beloved, best one. Let's agree there is some kind of (similar to religious) cult around Maemo, Meego and Sailfish. The story is the same every time, a group of people, with limited resources despite all odds and giants (earlier Symbian, now Android and iOS) is doing a really interesting mobile Linux OS. What is intriguing though every time story includes same old mistakes like bad business/management decisions, delays, half-open sourcing, overpriced hardware (compared to competition specs) and many other similar elements that summed up give the same result in the end - failure that is. Despite that, any new attempt is welcomed with big enthusiasm, there's always a promise that old errors won't be repeated even though the faces behind those new projects are quite familiar to the previous ones. Some of those people through the time even earned a status of idols/saints. Whatever they say is a pure and unquestionable truth (at least to the most devoted cult followers). But the world outside keeps running away and the distance is bigger with every attempt.
Fortunately, now there are other mobile Linux OS attempts with many fresh faces like for example Ubuntu Touch and Tizen. They seem to be more promising and don't have the ex-Nokians heavy baggage. There are some noteworthy points about those alternatives. Ubuntu Touch - convergence and support of different type of technologies behind apps (Qt, HTML5 or even good old GTK+). Tizen - power efficient, successful on various types of devices (smartwatches, TVs, ...) and with smartphone sales recently getting close to those of Windows Phone (3rd OS in global market share). So no reasons to worry, in contrast to what some people say, Sailfish OS is not the only and last true mobile GNU/Linux attempt, others are worth attention and doing pretty well, just let go of prejudices and old cults - be open to change.
PS. Does the tablet have open bootloader? I remember it was hot topic for some of the people when crowdfunding campaign started.
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2015-12-01
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Originally Posted by fk_lx
Of course you would. But you want them to disappear. Once you get your wish, who would you target?
I completely agree with you.
Anyway, whatever would be said, then a lot of people here at TMO will stay unconvinced, forever dreaming about the alternative history and "what if... " blaming the market, corporations, hardware manufacturers, NSA etc. and of course "dumb" users that pick up other OSes instead of their unlike, beloved, best one. Let's agree there is some kind of (similar to religious) cult around Maemo, Meego and Sailfish.
The story is the same every time, a group of people, with limited resources despite all odds and giants (earlier Symbian, now Android and iOS) is doing a really interesting mobile Linux OS.
Your rhetoric is utterly boring. It's the same message each and every time: "I hate <insert name> personally, I want <insert product> to fail and I'll talk badly about those things in hopes that it fails without ever offering up one viable solution or option..." ad-mother****ing-nauseum.
Give it a break.
PS. Does the tablet have open bootloader? I remember it was hot topic for some of the people when crowdfunding campaign started.
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2015-12-01
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Originally Posted by nieldk
Yes that was the official plan. Jollas internal plan was more add funds to OS development and ignore the tablet, stretch goals and delivery dates.
Was it December 2015 ?
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2015-12-01
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Originally Posted by gerbick
While he was discussing on topic about the problems and his opinion — all you can do is to answer "you are...", "you...".
Of course you would. But you want them to disappear. Once you get your wish, who would you target?
Okay "smart" user... name a viable option that's as complete as the aforementioned options.
You're discounting that people actually want an option that isn't Android or iOS. I was never the Symbian fan, so I wanted an option and got it in Maemo. Lesser known options that are cultivated by a very exclusive group never will catch on. You speak about options as if it's a bad thing... but never really offer up any.
Your rhetoric is utterly boring. It's the same message each and every time: "I hate <insert name> personally, I want <insert product> to fail and I'll talk badly about those things in hopes that it fails without ever offering up one viable solution or option..." ad-mother****ing-nauseum.
Give it a break.
For the record, yes it does. There, consider yourself enlightened. Now, as to why you'd even care... it counters your continuous rants. Save your attention, just stop caring.
Next thing would be probably pointing fingers and throwing stones, right?
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2015-12-01
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Originally Posted by bluefoot
I actually do use other products too (Android mostly). But still prefer Sailfish because of ease of use and work flow.
You (and others) should really try using some different products. You have absolutely no idea just how far behind in features, functionality and performance Sailfish is, and the gap grows ever wider.
Other part of your rant just underlines my previous take on lessons learned from this endeavour: never try without backing of big money. Never rely on communities. And absolutely never think such thing as "good will" exists. It's really as simple as that.
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2015-12-01
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Originally Posted by bluefoot
Well I use an Android phone on job. A Galaxy S4 mini. And I can tell you there is indeed a huge performance gap between my two phones. But it isn't the way you told me. My Jolla is by far less laggy than my business phone. And by the way I have to reboot the S4 mini every two days, just to be on the safe side for getting my mails.
You (and others) should really try using some different products. You have absolutely no idea just how far behind in features, functionality and performance Sailfish is, and the gap grows ever wider.
The reason Jolla have not succeeded is due to; calamitously bad judgement and management at every turn; a product that despite 4 years of development and a very solid base to work from is miles behind the competition and arguably inferior to both of its immediate forebears even 2 years after release; total lack of engagement with developers or any effort to provide them with a desirable or revenue generating platform and alienating almost the entire Maemo / Meego userbase & community with breathtaking speed; appalling communication and PR; a ridiculously flawed development process; a combination of arrogance and self pity.
They could have succeeded on their own merits, but they didn't. They absolutely did not fail because they were too small. They failed because they failed. That they failed so utterly - despite initially a great deal of interest and good will in the industry - is perhaps their greatest achievement.
If they were as good as you and other seem to think and it was just a question of resources, you'd have seen them taken over or fully funded long ago, with more than 1 partner (now likely gone) in 4 years. That none of that happened is testament to what I just stated.
And features? Well we use egroupware here and let me tell you, You can't imagine but we need a third party app to sync our phones with caldav. And no, we have some guys which got better phones than me, with an actual OS. Still we need a third party app.
Apps? Yes you are completely right. There are millions for Android and just a few for Sailfish. But isn't that our job? And to be honest if you break down all the apps to really useful apps and don't count all the apps which are doubled. The gap is a little bit smaller than it seemed on the first view.
And than there is Tizen. Which some of you guys are always referring to. Hmm just have a look:
Tizen started on April 2012 - first public Version - development started obviously before.
For the third quarter of 2014 there was a first phone (Z SM-Z910F) announced and it was surprise surprise CANCELLED.
They also announced another Tizen Phone the Z1 for 10.12.2014 well funny enough it was postponed. ...And hit the market 2 month later than announced. And we don't speak here from a MULTI MILLION MEGA PLAYER - of course not. Samsung is a very small and limited Company.
Ahhh and how many apps are there for Tizen?
So where are all the Alternatives which are light years far away???
- Apple? - Yes if you like a walled garden.
- Windows mobile? Well a really good OS in aspects of performance...but well it's somehow limited.
- Ubuntu phone? Maybe in the future.
- plasma mobile? Yes, this one is a really big hope for me, if Sailfish fails. But at the moment far away to be ready.
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