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2016-11-16
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Originally Posted by juiceme
Yup. I know. It's hopeless.. Don't know if its reassuring but I think Apple was considering manufacturing some phones in US. Will Nokia ever manufacture phones in Finland again? Anyways, was wondering. Are there any good apps that monitor network traffic on Android phones so one could check on this?
Hey brother, there are nothing except Chinese-manufactured phones in the world nowdays.
One can only hope the rogue code is in the OS layer and not on any of the firmware blobs...
EDIT:Just found this.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...tworklog&hl=en
You need root (I have). Maybe there are some that that don't require root? Also is there an equivalent app for N900, Harmattan based phones or Jolla? If not, that would be nice to do for the Developer Regatta.
Last edited by mscion; 2016-11-16 at 15:06.
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2016-11-16
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Originally Posted by mscion
Well, if Big-D is true to his word, Apple will certainly make all the devices it wants to sell in the good-old-US-of-A locally.
Yup. I know. It's hopeless.. Don't know if its reassuring but I think Apple was considering manufacturing some phones in US. Will Nokia ever manufacture phones in Finland again? Anyways, was wondering.
Nokia? nope, there will never be a Nokia-made mobile phone again. Not in Finland, not in China.
Originally Posted by mscion
The problem is that if the baddie is done right, any local network monitor won't see a byte gone astray. Your device could be spewing a constant stream of tens of kBps and the monitoring software would show a flat zero going out
Are there any good apps that monitor network traffic on Android phones so one could check on this?
EDIT:Just found this.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...tworklog&hl=en
You need root (I have). Maybe there are some that that don't require root?
The only way to see something wrong would be an external monitor in your WLAN or in the gateway behind your WLAN. And again, if the baddie was done right it would only send via cellular, being dead quiet when connected only via WLAN
There are of course ways to cut to this problem, too, but it requires equipment that rarely is available to general public; you need to either operate your own test network or connect the device to a cellular emulator.
Originally Posted by mscion
I think all of those devices have some kind of traffic monitoring software, but there's always room to enhance and improve
Also is there an equivalent app for N900, Harmattan based phones or Jolla? If not, that would be nice to do for the Developer Regatta.
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2016-11-16
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@ Moon! It's not the East or the West side... it's the Dark Side
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Aha, so that's how china gets all the info. I have long tought that China buissniess led are the best in the buissniess to go copycat, sometimes even before the inventor show it to the world. Auto leak from the phones. It has been going on for years
Donald is a business dude. He understands he can't tell another buissniess dude where to located his business. Ow what he can do it to give something to move the business to us, but who want to pay that bill. Clinton? No!
Donald will print or borrow money like never before and do the country even poorer without anyone knowing.
Crystal ball dave out.
Here you can see who is trying to attack...
http://map.norsecorp.com/#/
Like this one better - seems to been bought by HP unfortunately.
http://hp.ipviking.com
The fight is on. Joint it by setting up you super mega fake server and to attract attention from attackers..
Last edited by Dave999; 2016-11-16 at 21:46.
Donald is a business dude. He understands he can't tell another buissniess dude where to located his business. Ow what he can do it to give something to move the business to us, but who want to pay that bill. Clinton? No!
Donald will print or borrow money like never before and do the country even poorer without anyone knowing.
Crystal ball dave out.
Here you can see who is trying to attack...
http://map.norsecorp.com/#/
Like this one better - seems to been bought by HP unfortunately.
http://hp.ipviking.com
The fight is on. Joint it by setting up you super mega fake server and to attract attention from attackers..
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Do something for the climate today! Anything!
I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
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2016-11-17
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Originally Posted by juiceme
Yup. Pretty close to hopeless without some form of independent monitoring as the baddie is usually one step ahead. Baddie could even make app to log network activity that simply ignores their misdeeds. How would you know without independent means to monitoring. How about an app to monitor network monitoring apps? Of course you will have to monitor that app ad infinitum...
Well, if Big-D is true to his word, Apple will certainly make all the devices it wants to sell in the good-old-US-of-A locally.
Nokia? nope, there will never be a Nokia-made mobile phone again. Not in Finland, not in China.
The problem is that if the baddie is done right, any local network monitor won't see a byte gone astray. Your device could be spewing a constant stream of tens of kBps and the monitoring software would show a flat zero going out
The only way to see something wrong would be an external monitor in your WLAN or in the gateway behind your WLAN. And again, if the baddie was done right it would only send via cellular, being dead quiet when connected only via WLAN
There are of course ways to cut to this problem, too, but it requires equipment that rarely is available to general public; you need to either operate your own test network or connect the device to a cellular emulator.
I think all of those devices have some kind of traffic monitoring software, but there's always room to enhance and improve
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2016-11-17
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaEI6s5ujAM
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Русский военный корабль, иди нахуй!
Русский военный корабль, иди нахуй!
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2016-11-17
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Originally Posted by pichlo
Ha Ha! It's hopeless! I'm giving up. Take my data please!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaEI6s5ujAM
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2016-11-17
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@ Moon! It's not the East or the West side... it's the Dark Side
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Originally Posted by mscion
Your data is already taken
Ha Ha! It's hopeless! I'm giving up. Take my data please!
You only have one option, that is to spam so much data so the collector can't use it.anyone seen Zero Days?
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Do something for the climate today! Anything!
I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
Do something for the climate today! Anything!
I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
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2016-11-17
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Originally Posted by mscion
Et tu, Apple?
Anybody own Chinese manufactured phones? Is Google doing this anyways?
http://www.phonearena.com/news/N.Y.-...ervers_id87822
IPHONES SECRETLY SEND CALL HISTORY TO APPLE, SECURITY FIRM SAYS
(Sorry for ALLCAPS, just pasting headline as written.)
And not to be outdone, Google Shutting Down The Accounts Of Users Who Resell Their Pixel Phones Supposedly, Pixel phone customers agree (with no option to negotiate, of course, "first-sale" be damned) to not resell their devices. Google doesn't specify a penalty for doing so, but according to several hundred who did it, it's digital death penalty, including shutting off their gmail.
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2016-11-17
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Face it. Via the EULA, we never owned our own Microsoft Windows machines. That extends to Android and iOS as well. We do not own those devices either really (see Google shutting down accounts for proof).
And sooner than later, folks will realize that as the product in these free services, we give them more rights than we give ourselves.
iOS sending back info to Apple. Not surprised. How they use it though is my question.
And sooner than later, folks will realize that as the product in these free services, we give them more rights than we give ourselves.
iOS sending back info to Apple. Not surprised. How they use it though is my question.
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